Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 3:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Have I mentioned the Buff Offense had a terrible running game?

No run game = no wins. Way to many 3 and outs going on is killing our defense.

I think it's time for the coaches to realize that what worked against inferior talent in the WAC will not work in the Big 12.

Posted by rodrigo on October 6, 2008 at 4:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

3-2. Right where most of us thought they'd be.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 6, 2008 at 6:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Have I mentioned the cream corn offense has a terrible rushing game. 79 yards against Missouri. But they did lose 101 yards on 14 penalties. Nice discipline. And Nepa do you know how many times Missouri punted, do ya punk?

Zero. First time in cream corn history an opponent has not punted in the crimson and cream stadium.

But the cream did have the ball for 33 minutes but did nothing with it. Slow slow slow. Part of the nowledge syndrome.

Go buffs. You did not play very well, especially you Cody, but 6 and 1 from here on out. Looks good.

Make it happen..

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if DS is thinking he made a HUGE mistake last Febuary?

Posted by Buffaloed on October 6, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The running game will come with the development of the O line. You can't suffer through this many injuries, throw some new guys in the mix and "POOF" have everything work right. I like Hawk's attitude and approach to the situation. I suspect morale is down but a few breaks and some cohesiveness and things can turn around in a hurry.

Posted by rnorthro14 on October 6, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if TO realizes the terrible mistake he made in hiring Pelini?

Posted by vkberlinn on October 6, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am pretty sure tom osborne knows he made a gigantic mistake last February

Posted by vkberlinn on October 6, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DS. Came to CU out of shape. Speedy was there all summer working his butt off.
DS has been hurt every game. This is big 12 football not california high school.

DS BS. Hey if he wants to quit so what. Has added nothing so far. Would free up a scholarhship for another lineman.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

89th in total offense? Good grief, wasn't Hawkin's considered an offensive genius coming into CU? (at least at the WAC level).

The man has been schooled week in and week out by Big 12 coaches.

Posted by montanabuff on October 6, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

41-6 thumpingby Missouri in 2007
52-17 thumping by Missouri in 2008.
At least Nebraska is able to keep it right at 35 points (thank goodness for that touchdown on the last play of the game, eh, nepa?). Is TO grading Pelini on improvement?

Since you are so good at predictions, how's about predicting the score of the Texas Tech/Nebraska game this weekend. (Wasn't it Tech who was the first to put 70 up on the 'Huskers?).

On to more important things. Looking for positives to take from the Texas game? Hard to find, but there were some .....

http://www.cuatthegame.com

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

92nd nationally in rushing and #1 in the nation in balls batted down at the line of scrimmage. i see coach has gone from the big XII to the nfl. you've got lowly kansas that has given fans what boulder fans deserve - a consistent, very good team, ksu - rebuilding and looked decent for a half against tech, and mizzou - regular door mat that has risen to the top.

in three weeks will we have more excuses about talent gaps, and injured o-line, a qb who cannot see over the center, and offensive coaches who clearly do not have a clue.

looks like 3-5 is a real possibility. when does coach stop getting a free pass?

Posted by kimolukela on October 6, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where is Scott? I'm a Cody fan, but he made a lot of mistakes for the second consecutive week. Ballenger's first pass was a 50+ touchdown pass right on the numbers. We may need to start getting him more involved.

Posted by NJBuff on October 6, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hopefully Walters won't be out too long? Do we know if he'll play this weekend?

As for the fans, their behavior was disgusting. CU should never provide t-shirts again for the students. Shame on them.

Posted by rodrigo on October 6, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, adversity. Brings out the genius in everyone. Funny, though. I'm not hearing any excuses. Team's 3-2, a year or two away from being very good but still has plenty to play for in 2008.

By the way, among the items on the positive side: http://colorado.rivals.com/barrier_no...

Posted by rodrigo on October 6, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh. And nice work, Montana. It's a real treat to read your stuff week in, week out.

Posted by buff4ever on October 6, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, let's evaluate NU this season:

Three early season games, at home, against non-BCS schools. All three wins.

Next two games, at home, against BCS schools. Both losses.

VT, ranked 115 in total offense has their best day of the season against any opponent and scores the most points of the season while playing on the road.

MU beats Nebraska by the worst score since 1955 in Nebraska and continues to score the average they had against non-BCS schools while playing a road game.

TO hires Pelini because he is a defensive genius.

Lets make predictions for this week. Tech Scored 70 points against NU last time they played in Texas. NU is worse on defense and Tech is better on offense. 1st road game of the year for NU.

80 - 10, Tech wins and asks the cheerleaders to play at the end of the game since that is the competition NU is used to playing in their non-conference schedule. The cheerleaders score a field goal.

Posted by archalon on October 6, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The fan behavior in the game was dissapointing. Makes the school look bad.

Bohn needs to crack down on the student section. Its ridiculous.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 6, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody who watched the NU debacle realizes that Gary Pinkel has more mercy than most would have considering how NU used to run up scores long, long ago in their glory days. If he hadn't called off the dogs in the 3rd quarter the score probably would have been 80.

If the guys can stay focused and injury free, I think the Kansas game is winable. ISU should have beaten them.

Like most at this point, I would like to see what Ballenger can do against a number one defense. He looked pretty good against a 2nd or 3rd team defense. Of course, we don't know what Cody could have done when he wasn't running for his life in that same situation.

After watching both MU and Texas last weekend, I think MU beats Texas. The rest of the season will be a lot of fun. And I still think the Buffs get the 6 wins necessary for bowl eligibility without the soft pre-conference schedules some of our Big 12 North brethern have.

Go Buffs. Beat KU!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

that's what we do around here to make ourselves feel good - evaluate NU? who cares how bad they are?

oldbuffer - that's it? 6 wins and a trip to the independence bowl.

damn expectations are low around here.

Posted by extrapoint on October 6, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cody has had 2 bad games and all the bashers are feeling real smug right now.
But what I cant believe are all the nitwits who want to run DS out of town. The kid is a true feshman and has been dinged up. He hasn't had a chance especially with the attrition on the O line.
Good way to scare away recruits as well.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 6, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fishy - I'm a CU fan posting on a CU site. What are you doing here? Can't stomach what must be posted on NU sites? As you may recall, I wanted NU to beat VT - for the good of the Big 12 only. I will give the buffoon credit. He didn't cost his team any yardage with childish temper tantrums this week.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

don't even give him the time of day oldbuffer

Hawk gets a free pass all year, really wish we could have exacted some revenge on UT, but at least we kept the students off the field.

Can you believe Sanders and Head are the only 2 upperclassmen on the line? talk about trial by fire

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nebraska got blown at home in front of 120,000 and their coach told his players to play dirty and yet nepabuff and fishhead come in here, once again, and bash us...you 2 are losers and even worse your idiots.....your program still hasnt won a meaningful game in 11 years running.....only the worse of the worse bottom feeders continue to make 'potshots' at another program when theirs continues to be in shambles and is the joke of college football....your parents should be proud that your lives turned out so pathetic but i bet they are losers also, the apple dont fall to far.......but hey neb fans still have the san jose state and new mexico games to brag about....pathetic losers....

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What do you mean my program?

While I believe Pelini is probably light years ahead of Hawkins as a coach, I'm not a Husker fan.

Remember, Hawk went 2-10 his first season and took zero heat for it and accepted zero responsibility for it (blamed it on Barnett)...

Pelini is taking full responsibility for the loss and never mentions the previous coaching staff. (plus his 3 wins are already better than Hawkins first 3 losses in 2006, remember Montana State??)

Now it's the o-line that's taking the heat. In football you suck it up, adapt and play. No excuses...

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

stay strong buff fans, at least we dont have a coach that beats up other 65 yr old coaches, throws tantrums on the sidelines and intstructs his players to play dirty...be real proud of your program nebraska fans....hey at least on saturday a neb player didnt headbutt a mizzou bandmember.....of course when their idol, dr tom, was a cheating coward why expect anything to ever change in lincoln, go big red....

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

first of all i cannot stand NU, but if the fools on this site have to resort to gloating in their pain as some salve for how bad our team is, that is ridiculous.

all i hear around here is excuses. at least buffalo flyer takes a position. he says: hawk gets a free pass all year. i don't agree with that, but i respect he has an opionion.

flyer - how long does he get a pass? another year? two more?

i thought it might be better for the buffs if NU beat MU and VT. i just think it is a waste of time for anyone to be discussing the NU program. we have enough to worry about here.

i have gone to all home games for 26 years. i am a buff fan, but i have real expectations. i thought the students behavior was atrocious, though not unlike most of the childish behavior on this forum.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

extrapoint - I hate to tell you this but you and I agree completely about Scott. That kid is going to be good when they figure out how to use him.

Give us your honest opinion of Ballenger? I know a lot of people were posting that they had been to practice and he wasn't ready - but he sure looked good to me. Admittedly, it was the Texas second team defense, but the TD throw was right on the money - and I was really impressed with his scramble.

Posted by zonabuff on October 6, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hehe, nepa, the Buffs were at least visible on the field. We have a long way to go, especially depth on the o-line, but 3 missed field goals kept the score from being respectable. but the lowly cobsquatters, so close to your heart, have nothing but spit to show for their Saturday. At 82nd in total defense, I guess those black practice shirts will stay closeted for awhile.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the o-line is the o-line you have, so how do we respond?

cody has proven to not be a DI player, now what?

what is the O trying to accomplish? spread? run?
i thought hawk was some offensive genius?

cabral needs a raise and more authority, not just some title to appease. the guy is steadfast - a buff through and through. and one thing buff fans can always count on at linebacker U is great play from the linebackers. true in many off years, and true again this year.

how can helfrich get the pay he gets when he hasn't done anything?

this should upset real buff fans! stewart and scott are a great 1-2 punch. no one was whining about the o-line when stewart racked up a career day?

teams deal with injuries all the time. the excuses need to stop.

Posted by DrTom on October 6, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well boys, it's been "real" LOL!!!

What happened to Darrell? He scidaddled early. Guess he didn't like that Big Texas Welcome he got.

We'd have redshirted him and got him ready for next season instead of lettin' him come in all porked up and lazy.

I guess playin' for Momma is more important than bein' on the #5 undefeated Longhorns..

See ya in Austin next season boys!!

Posted by mtnboykev35 on October 6, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was at the game and it was clear from the time they stepped on the filed Texas is a MUCH bigger team from top to bottom. I feel it will take a couple of more recruting classes like the last to get any where near....

Posted by mtnboykev35 on October 6, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

also have to say that maybe Ballenger should be given a shot. But the offense needs to find an identity.
and I think Colt Mcoy took steroids in the off season, he is 3x faster than last year.

Posted by dabuffs50 on October 6, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I like the defenses effort overall, Our O puts them in bad situations and they play very well. I am more and more concerned with the play of DJ Dykes... He must have missed 10+ tackles Saturday.

Posted by roamingbuff on October 6, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is it that instead of a no huddle, hurry up offense, we have a no huddle, hurry up and wait offense?

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Jayhawks look to be a lot of trouble, 5 2d half TD's is pretty explosive.

Don't look for this one to be easy regardless of all that "easy schedule" talk.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Roaming, I think its the same offense he ran at Boise, the only difference is the Big 12 teams are a more advanced than pop warner so it doesn't work as well.

Posted by BuffTime on October 6, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah and that "top 20 defense" held ISU to only 20 points in the first half! They're monsters all right!

Common man, they squeaked by ISU 35-33. Even if they are at home this game, I think the Buffs should handle them just fine. I'd like to see them spot the Buffs 20 points and then try to come back against our defense.

Posted by BuffTime on October 6, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't know that OU is considered "pop warner"... They sure seem to have had trouble with it more than once...

Posted by GoBuffs07 on October 6, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HAwkins does need to push the panic button when we don't get to a bowl game this year. Hawkins sucks and needs to go.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 6, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd like to point out that in his third year, people just like Fishy et al were calling for Coach Mac's head. Fortunately, Crowder stayed with him and bought CU a bowl appearance that allowed Mac to recruit in SoCal more effectively. We know the rest. It takes a good recruiter, which Hawk is, time to get quality kids in the program - and it takes time for them to develop.

Some people in Texas were very down on Colt last year, wanting him benched. Notice how the ESPN commentators kept referring to his "sophomore slump?" Cody is what year?? I'll be the first to grant that he doesn't have the talent that McCoy does, but as has been pointed out above, neither does he have the supporting cast.

Is Ballenger the future? Probably. But let's don't throw him to the wolves. Let him mature, learn, and grow.

I also believe that when the day comes, this year or next when Ballenger does become the starting QB, Cody will support him and help him any way he can. The kid has class that far transcends whether or not he is the starting QB on a rebuilding football program.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Colt's sophmore slump last season was a 10-3 season.

Cody is 9-9 as a starting QB.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you're preaching to the choir oldbuffer, the only real dissent comes from kenny

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it just me, or this BS about "mastering" the playbook getting old?

I've seen little league teams with larger play selections.

I think about 2 weeks of practice should have it mastered.

Next some of you will be saying the coaches are holding the plays back for NU.

Posted by BuffTime on October 6, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I think about 2 weeks of practice should have it mastered." - Yes nepa, we all know what you "think".

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

YEA, 'DUH'HUSKERS, WE ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT OUR OWN TEAM, THATS WHY THIS IS THE COLROADO BUFFALOES CHATROOM MORON....GO OVER TO THE HUSKER BOARDS AND HOW MANY BUFFS ARE IN THERE, ZERO. AND WHY??? BECAUSE NO ONE OUTSIDE OF THAT PATHETIC STATE CARES ABOUT THAT FORGOTTEN PROGRAM. NOW YOU AND YOUR GIRLFRIENDS-WHOSYOURDUMMY, NEPACLOWN AND FISHBRAIN HAVE A HUDDLE AND MAKE BETS ON WHAT YEAR THE SORRY CORNHUSKERS WILL FINALLY WIN A MEANINGFULL GAME, MY GUEES, 2011... AND NO, WESTERN MICHIGAN D0ESNT COUNT...WHAT'S JOE GANZ RECORD AS A STARTER?--AND REMEMBER THAT BUM HAS ONLY STARTED ONE YEAR....WHO WAS THE LAST NEB GOOD QB??? ZAC TAYLOR, LOL, YEAH HE GOT EMBARRASED BY OU IN THE BIG 12 TITLE GAME AND CODY BEAT OU AS A FRESHMAN SO KEEP BASHING CODY AND KEEP PROVING WHAT A COLLEGE FOOTBALL IDIOT YOU ARE NEPACLOWN...

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder when they'll break out that WAC magic play, the triple reverse flea flicker.

Worked against the Idaho Vandals everytime.

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yea maybe hothead should put in some trick plays, oh wait, i bet the nebs had plenty of trick plays versus new mexico.....and that end of the game TD v mizzou was a moral booster, dont ya think??? poor joe ganz wasting his final year of football playing for a 'dirty' coach in need of anger management....arent you proud to be husker fan??? i know, i know.....the buffs lost to montana state and cody is a daddy's boy, duh, duh....stop acting like a schmuck.....

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buff4life - why waster your time bashing the corn? there are plenty of problems in our backyard. cody leads the nation in balls batted down at the line of scrimmage. damn, i'm proud to be a buff fan. won't be long now until daddy joins the whiners on this site with his list of excuses: injuries at o-line, takes time to develop a program, need more experience.

whatever. i for one am tired of the bs and tired of the free pass. i want coaches, players, an administration and fans that EXPECT winning. Expect it - not merely talk about it.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're losin' dude.

Nebraska playing like crap bears little relavence to CU's team, except maybe in your mind.

Posted by vegasbufffan on October 6, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our running and passing game is directly effected by the 4 injuries on the OL. Not much we can do about it. EXCEPT, they are out early so they are all redshirting.

This year given the recent injuries we will beat the average and below average teams, like the cornheads. Next year and beyond these guys will be back older bigger and wiser.

At least teams are not sending their THIRD string team for a full quarter to toy with us like they did to the gum chewing with an open mouth Bo-nehead at nu.

All the Bo-nehead had to say "we did not exicute" over and over and over. To exicute you need a coach with a brain that has a plan.

But nu is not a factor we have to concentrate on beating another good team to keep pace with last year.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fishhead, stop wasting your life and our time with your agenda, you have zero credibility

Posted by vegasbufffan on October 6, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buff4life:

Ignore the idiot from Nebraska he is just a bitter troll that will be here for attention even if we beat everyone by a hundred points for fifty years.

F him, he feeds on attention here, because obviously he lacks attention in his real life. Getting no attention here will ruin his life, as he has no life from the looks of it.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's play a game of trivial excuses.

1. they are Barnett's players and not suited to Hawkin's system.

2. Barnett's strength trainer let them all get weak, now they all clean over 300 lbs.

3. It takes years to rebuild a team (except at alabama, OU and several other programs)

4. the wide recievers drop a lot of balls.

5. the o-line is injured (except for the ones that transferred)

6. The QB won all his little league games, therefore he's the starter.

7. McCartney lost a few games also.

8. CU beat OU 15 games ago, so we must be on the right track.

9. NU sucks right now, somehow that makes us feel better.

10. being 12th in the big 12 in offense doesn't mean anything is wrong, there are 20 different reasons why this is not a bad thing.

Anyone else??

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure you alter egos would like to add to your list

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa... We get it! The Buffs Suck! Hawk sucks and his play calling will only work in the WAC!

OK, done, we hear ya! Now why are you still here? Is it your life long goal to prove to everyone CU sucks? Seriously, what do you accomplish by coming here? Why do you spend so much time here?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh, and by the way, in case you forgot, fyi, just a reminder......

you have zero credibility

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"our backyard", "im proud to be a buff fan"----dont insult me with your nonsense bro, at least have the 'nads' to own up to your own team, thats even more pathetic pretending to be a negative buff fan wearing your herbie husker halloween costume--who do you think your fooling with that weak stuff?? and "nebraska playing like crap, for 11 years now, has lil relavance to cu"---are you kidding me, dont be a dummy, your the neb fan in the buff chat room dumdum....talk about how to fix your team, a lot of fixing it is, instead of bashing us and that might take that 'schmuck' label off....but i doubt it....im done "dummying" myself to pathetic husker levels today, i guess when you cant win a meaningful game in the last decade then the only joy is "riling" up true buff fans with silly "cody is too short and this aint the WAC" stuff....so in conclusion dumdums, keep up the bashing to team that when last played your beloved huskers SHREDDED joe ganz and the pinkshirts 65-51 with a frosh qb that you love to hate.....the new husker fight song is 'PLAYING DIRTY WITH COACH BO, IF WE CANT WIN WE WILL TRY AND HURT YOUR PLAYERS", sweeeeet...

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

buffalo_flyer - just come out striaght and admit that 6 and 6 every year is your standard? that sucks. i agree with nepa and am tired of the excuses. and pgordon - i don't hear anyone saying anyone sucks, just asking reasonable questions that a reasonable fan would want to answer:

is cody a detriment?
should would expect better O from a guy brought in as an offensive genius? (i hated sean watson - thought he was boring as all get out, but at east he stuck to his plan?)
what is a reasonable season?
when do the excuses from hawk get old? 3 and 3? 3 and 4? 3 and 5?

the fans around here with expectations want real discussion. the rah rah rah i've got my cheerleading skirt on fans just take ridiculous potshots.

Posted by oldbuffer on October 6, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Perhaps we should look around at some Big 12 coaches a little. I live in Missouri and know how the fans wanted to get rid of Pinkel when he didn't win the North with Brad Smith. MU stayed with him. Mac Brown has been on the hot seat in Texas and the fans (some at least) scream for his head when Texas loses the Red River Shootout. Results of these two programs - top ten teams.

The legendary coach at NU retires. Two years later his replacement is fired for not winning the north, in spite of a winning record with Osborne's recruits. Two years later the next coach is fired. The result the following year: Missouri 58, NU 17.

Good idea. Let's fire our coach after 2 years.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i, for one, don't give darn about the corn except when we get a chance to rub there noses in some buffalo turd. one of my favorite games ever was the 62 point beat down and yelling like crazy that crouch was a heisman candidate. true joy.

but that was then and this is now. i don't care about bo pellini or joe ganz. i like when NU is doing decent so when we play, it means more.

i think we need to get over the O line bit. injuries are a part of the game. good teams get over it. i am far more concerned about the general state of the O. what are helfrich, hawk trying to do? it just seems discombobulated week in and week out. yeah, texas looks like they're for real, so you game plan for that.

how about some real discussion buff fans.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no one (or at least i am not) is saying fire hawkins, but i do not think he gets a free pass anymore. i think the media needs to ask hard questions about cody, about offensive production, about his game plans, about the pay discrepancy between cabral and other uproven coaches. that's fair.

he should be commended for his recruiting, for his connection to the community, his enthusiasm, and i agree we should maybe give him one, two more years to see if he can make it work. but the free pass nonsense, the nepotism and the lack of productivity in his specialty area should all be questioned.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In pinkel's 3rd season he went 8-5.

He inherited a 3-8 team (not a 7-6 like Hawkins)...

Mack Brown wins 10 games plus every year.

Once again, I fail to see any similarity here.

John Blake was fired after 3 losing seasons, Bob Stoops came in and won the NC in 2 seasons, been winning ever since.

Not sure what any of this proves but I'll add it to my Trivial excuses list.

11: Mack Brown and Gary Pinkel not fired after winning seasons.

Posted by MDBuff on October 6, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hawk said last week on his radio show that Bohn will have an announcement soon on an extension.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK Nepa... we get it! Why are you still here? Havent you gotten your point across?

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION AND DONT DODGE IT LIKE YOU DO EVERYTHING THAT IS ASKED OF YOU!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i am not nepa. i will answer your question. i am still here because i am a huge buff fan and think it is important for buff fans to start asking questions, to start expecting more, and to stop acting like a bunch of 19 yr old cheerleaders.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not you FishHead... you actually have some constructive criticism. Aint nothing wrong with that. I agree there are problems that need to be addressed.

Nepa is just a broken record. I just dont understand why he continues to hang around. Hes made his point: Hawkins and CU are the worst things to happen to modern society. God damn man, we freaking get it!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nepa raises some good points and some good questions. how long does hawk get? if bohn really is giving him an extension (like he did with the losing mcconnell-miller), then he is a bigger fool too and should be on the hot seat.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't want to hear comparisons to NU. I don't give a rat's arse about NU. I do, however, want to see the media and fans stop giving hawkins a free pass.

My biggest issue, other than the performances of the O and Cody, is the pay descrepancy among coaches who have done nothing and the underpaid Cabral, who is a CU legend being dissed by the current administration, current coach and the school he has done so much for!

Doesn't that bother you DizonRocks?

Posted by BuffTime on October 6, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why don't you answer your own questions then? I've answered them already and others have answered a point here and there too. Why do you keep cutting and pasting the same questions and acting as if no one has ever addressed them?

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gordon, you don't need to be so dramatic.

I believe CU can win with the talent they have. Could have for the past two seasons.

This bashing of Barnett's recruits is unfounded as the reason (Abraham Wright, Dizon, Wheatley, Crosby, Thaddaeus Washington, Mark Fenton, Hugh Charles, Brian Daniels, Hypolite, Lucas Nicolas and several others come to mind).

I think Hawkins tried to turn them into his image of BSU instead of coaching them to their strengths.

Thus the poor win loss record.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa - You forgot:

12. McCartney would have made his son the starting QB but he thought that would be a really stupid thing to do.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Cody is a detriment to the team. He has proven it time and again - weak arm, no legs, too short. Enough with the nepotism.

I think 8 and 4 is not too much to ask for this year. I want to see steady improvement each year.

I want to see some definition in the offense and stop hearing excuses about O-line. Work with what we have and make a choice: are we a wide open spread team or are we a straight forward ball control team, not this schizo mix of neither.

I think Brian Cabral has been dissed! The compensation differences between him and vastly uproven cooridantors brought from Boise is despicable!

The media needs to take their cheerleading skirts off and start asking some pointed, hard questions. Fans need to raise their expectations of Hawkins, his coaches, the team and this administration!

That is how we will get a winning team.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

13. It's unfair to compare Cody to QB's like McCoy, Daniel, and Reesing ... those guys can run and throw!!!

Posted by coereg on October 6, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude it is so funny to come in here, after a loss or two (that FRANKLY was to be expected), to see people just trashing this team (LOL!!).
Sure there are some things that seem troubling right now, but that's part of having a young- injury riddled, developing team. And they still have development ahead of them.

-DS is not going anywhere, and he probably will -eventually- stake his claim. The kids a freshman for crying out loud .. there aren't many freshman that can make as big an impact as we all want DS to make. That's also part of not recruiting well for a long time ... you get a high profile player and suddenly you expect the next best thing since sliced bread. It takes time ~ but it will come.

-What has looked (at times) to be poor coaching or game planning, has been about execution. Coaches can ONLY go so far (we know that - why is this becoming an issue!?).
I saw at least 4 to 5 plays (that were specifically game planned) for FSU, that would have busted some big opps. But you have to execute. And I'm not talking JUST about the QB. You have blocking assignments that are being missed, or are just a bit off ~ from all around .. OL, WR's, etc.
And what about the execution of those first three FG's against TX? Suddenly it's a 21 -9 games at half ... and perhaps TX doesn't get that final touchdown in the 1st half because of a pick-up in confidence for the Buffs, etc. What if it had been 14-9 at half, and CU coming back in the 2nd half with the feeling that there in that ballgame, and brimming w/confidence? It's a whole different game.
Ok, so it's not just about the game planning or coaching. CU has looked good in many games since this coaching staff has been here. And there will be many more.

-I agree with everyone, and see with own eyes, the struggles with Cody. And that maybe ~ for future games ~ coach should consider giving Ballenger some looks. Personally, I've felt that Ballenger looks like the better prospect all along ~ just MO.

But let's not get so down here. Truth is, there aren't many teams that are gonna beat TX. And there are many teams that would have been blown out by this team.
There will be more wins along the way here ... maybe even this coming weekend, as I don't think that KU is the force is was last season ... but then again, maybe not.
But you still have a realistic shot at 4 to maybe 5 wins down the stretch here (KU, K-State, A&M, Ok-State, ISU, & Nebraska). And I can definitely see at least 3 more wins in there, which would bring us back to 6-6.

If the Buffs were to go 6-6 or 7-5, I think we would all be ok with that ~ everything considered.
Let's relax ~ enjoy the development and what the future CAN hold for this team.

Posted by BEL on October 6, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry about that, napabuff, thefishheadsoup, and whoisyourdaddy, but it looks like Bohn is going to give Hawk another 5 year extension. Yes, another "free pass". Hurray! Although all the rabble-rousers here will probably continue with their futile efforts to turn public opinion against Hawk, the only person with an opinion that really matters is the man in charge, Mike Bohn. And, Bohn says that Hawk will remain as the Head Coach at CU for at least the next 5 years. Bohn knows the real situation and has publicly stated that it often takes 6 or 7 years to rebuild a football program.

Posted by nepabuff on October 6, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've already said that BEL.

Bohn is an Idaho boy.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Nepa for saying something positive about CU... now we can have a legit convo, as it really seems most of the time your comments are only negative bashing. I understand feeling pissed about certain elements of the team, but you cant just slam everything all the time.

I agree Barnett had some really good years with CU. We were kick butt in the early portion of this decade: Solid D, Manageable passing game, sick running attack! But Barnett's results were dipping significantly as the years went on. He also represented the program poorly when he was coach, as the team and staff often came off as arrogant.

Now Im not saying Hawk's tenure has been perfect (i.e. DUI's, Fights, other crap) but I really believe he is trying to run the program in the right way. After all, its hard to manage 60+ guys all the time.

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just a story for Buff Fans out there from the Barnett era: A friend of mine at CU dropped outta school to go fight in Iraq. He loves his country, and decided to defer his education to defend our freedom. This is an admirable quality, regardless of your take on the whole political background of the strife over there.

Anyway, after he left, his father wanted to treat his son by taking a photo of the CU team holding up a sign saying: "Platoon ###, We Support you! Go Buffs!" The father contacted the athletic dept. and had it arranged, as the whole team and Barnett were supposed to be in the photo. When it came time to take the pic, only a handful of players showed up, and Barnett was no where to be found. The players that were there couldn't wait to get outta there, and were very rude. Not a pleasant or gracious experience what so ever.

The father then called the CSU Dept. and asked them to do the same thing. The next day, Sonny Lubick called the father himself, expressing his enthusiasm in being involved in showing support for our troops. On the day of the photo, the whole team was present along with Lubick. They were all very excited to show support and made the father feel very appreciated that his son was giving the ultimate sacrifice, and he was former buff nonetheless.

I truly believe had Hawk been the coach in that situation, the scenario for the CU photo would have matched Lubick's enthusiasm and appreciation.

So, Barnett was a good coach and had some good years, but I believe he did not teach the men who to be good respectful members of our society. That was not important to him... Miami ran a program like that for years. They won all the time, regardless of the multitude of offenses than ranged anywhere from DUIs to serious drug charges and assault. Eventually that crap will catch up to the program, gotta find a blend of character and talent. And you gotta mold that talent properly.

bottom line for the end of the Barnett era: scandals and declining play. It was time for fresh blood. I dont think Hawk's tenure has been perfect, but with continued good recruiting, positive attitude, and positive actions, we are in good hands.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on Fisheadsoup fess up! It's a well known fact that anybody who doesn't like being misled and lied to by Coach Dad must certainly be a Nebraska fan.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so bohn is betting the farm and hawk, and they will be tied together to the same fate - bohn may even find the unemployment line more quickly.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

damn you're sharp daddy.

Posted by BuffTime on October 6, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow coereg! You write as long a post as I do! hehe

fish: I will give you one thing, I agree that Cabral hasn't gotten his due in terms of dollars from CU. Bohn/Hawk need to fix that pronto. Cabral has not only been a fixture at CU for decades now as a player and coach, but he has been a big time contributor that whole time too. He brings in top recruits (not just LBs) and he coaches them up like crazy (Dizon came in lowly ranked and left an All-American). He deserves coordinator-level pay if not the status of the position itself. Bohn should wrap him up for the long term.

Posted by BEL on October 6, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Barnett could have remained at CU if he would have just signed the original contract extension offered by Bohn. But, Barnett shot himself in the foot by hesitating. After CU lost to Texas, 70-3, Bohn withdrew the offer, and Barnett went on to become history. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Barnett because he walked away with a hefty $3 million in buyout money.

Every day, I thank my lucky stars that the situation transpired as it did because we managed to land the Hawk.

Posted by thegames1inthetrenches on October 6, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASK BOHN ABOUT ALL THE GOOD WORK DONE AT SAN DIEGO STATE.

Posted by BEL on October 6, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thefishheadsoup, for a person who claims to have attended every Buff home game for the past 26 years, I would have thought that you would have been better informed about Cabral. Did you not realize that Cabral has now been promoted to Associate Head Coach? His salary has now probably been raised significantly starting with the new fiscal year that begin on July 1, 2008.

Posted by buff_fan_69 on October 6, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The short little puke wouldn't be the second string qb at a juco flag football league, nice to be coach's kid.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brian Cabral makes $130,000 a year. Grimes - $197,600; Eric Kiesau 186,000 and on and on and on. The title is BS.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bottom line is bohn and hawkins have disrespected tradition around here as much as callahan did at NU. Joke.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buff_fan_69 - You're exagerating! Cody would be 1st string in a juco flag football league... probably!

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 6, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe...

Posted by rodrigo on October 6, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, fish, one would think that if Cabral felt he, and by extension Buff tradition, was so sorely mistreated, he would up and leave, no? I hear a lot of what you're saying, but I sincerely doubt BC needs you to speak for him. I'm also not sure that we CU fans - or any other fans, for that matter - "deserve" anything.

And since we're all about "I think," I think CU football will be just fine and year four of the Hawkins era will reward the patient among us, anyway. Regardless, I'll never for the life of me understand why some folks seem to take the ups and downs of a college football team as such a personal affront. The day I'm angry or bitter cuz the team I follow loses a game is the day I quit watching.

Posted by rodrigo on October 6, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang, someone wake Dahuskers up.

Posted by extrapoint on October 6, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez
does anyone in here have a job?
all those rumors about Boulder being nothing but trustfunders is looking more an more......

Anyhow, all the bashers are going to wet their pants, however, it is time to at least let Ballenger share reps in practise with the first team. (poor Nelson) Depending on how he does there maybe he should start this week. What is there to lose? We would still have Cody available if he fell on his face.

I'm still going to argue with all the Helfrich bashers. How soon we forget how stale the Barnett/Watson combo was. Helfrich may not be the answer in the long term bur right now he is light years ahead of the days of yore. Like someone said above, the execution has been poor and that falls on all of the coaches shoulders.

Posted by BEL on October 6, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thefishheadsoup, you are getting your figures from the old fiscal budget starting July 1, 2007. Please look at the new fiscal budget starting July 1, 2008 and tell me what you see. The new fiscal budget should contain updated salaries to reflect pay raises and promotions.

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 5:26 p.m.

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Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nepa dont answer questions, he spends his days googling big stats like, "how many colorado assistants were high school coaches and how does height affect qb effectiveness"....you know, meaningful stuff, ask him when was the last time neb beat ou or texas?? im not sure if 'google" goes back to the big 8 days...and if you 'google' the number 77 it shows you the scoreboard from the texas tech v nebraska game.....'google' coward and get pic of tom osbourne, 'google" internet tuff guy and get dahusker and 'google" creampuffs and get the nebs preseason schedule for past 40 years, try and google "hothead" and see what coach's face pops up......

Posted by buff4life on October 6, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

62-36 has made it so fun "clownin" busker fans in here cuz all they can come back with is "boulder is full of hippies" and "cody is a daddy's boy"....lol.....id be making fun of colorado and dan hawkins also if my team's best game over the past 2 seasons was beating san jose state-----THE POWER OF RED!!!!.....LOL....

Posted by GoBuffs08 on October 6, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buff4life you are pure hilarity...
whosneppafish69dahuskers is the same tool, now with from what I have counted 9 aliases. Rumor has it Dan Hawkins stole his starting position at UC Davis and he/she just cannot let it go.
They offer no intellectual insight on football, only hate filled tantrums fitting of a 9 year old girl. LET IT GO.

Posted by Black_Rob on October 6, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yep, kenny has a lot of users. Not much of a life though.

He's extra mad this week because his corn got creamed saturday.

Posted by OUBuff on October 6, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

About all of you are just childish... "I love CU more, I cheer them." "No, I love CU more, I criticize them."

Come on. Nepa, you are a piece of work, probably employed by the DC just to keep people trafficking the site. I do enjoy the banter, but it is getting old... every day the same feather ruffling garbage.

There is 90+ opinions on this article and they all stink, so here is one more.

Am I happy with where we are right now? No, not exactly. I am firmly on the fence as I am not exactly unhappy either. Fish, like you I have followed CU for many years my guess is since the 1975 season or so. I have seen the highs and the lows. Face it, CU is not a dynasty type program in the mold of OU/UT/USC/Bama etc. So I don't set my expectations based upon those programs.

Barnett...? I was a big fan, but he made his share of mistakes that made his continued employment untenable. He is gone... get over it.

Hawk...? I am a big fan and I will be until his continued employment is untenable. When will that be you ask? I am good with him this year with 6-6. Next year should have at least 8+ wins. 2010 <8 wins look for a new coach. 8-10 W's wins conditional. 10+ extend the contract.

Lil Hawk...? I like him. I think he is a leader, an important quality in a QB. I do think he is physically challenged though and looking into options only makes sense. I would like to see a couple of planned series in the first half and perhaps a couple in the second half just for Ballenger. That would provide a good look at him and give him some experience without breaking whatever continuity we currently have.

O-line...? To think that the diminished O-line has no impact upon the performance of the offense is completely foolish and just hyperbole to get this crowd worked up.

So there you go... smelly enough for you?

BTW, I didn't hear any excuses out of Hawk in this article.

Go Hawk... Go O-line... Go CU... prove them all wrong!!!

Posted by Black_Rob on October 6, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nail on the head OUBuff.

Kenny has brought absolutely nothing new to the table in 3 years (except for 30 usernames).

He loves Barney, but if he ever played for Barney, he'd know different. You can trust me on that one.

Hawk is doing great things. Give him time, and ignore the Troll aka Kenny.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 6, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OUBuff, nice post...tossing out Brown @ Texas and Stoops @ OU from consideration (long time football powers), I took a look at the other Big 12 Top 20 ranked programs to see what their HC's looked like after three seasons...I already provided the info in Pinkel's losing ways in 3 of his first 4 campaigns...Gundy @ Okie State was 18-19 (4-7,7-6 w/bowl win,7-6 w/bowl win) Mangino @ Kansas was 12-24 and after six seasons was 37-36, including the 12-1 in `07, has had two winning seasons...Leach @ Texas Tech 23-16 with 2 bowl losses and 1 bowl win...IMHO, I'm confident Hawk will continue to build the program and succeed in recruiting and begin to get more W's over the next few seasons...

Posted by NJBuff on October 6, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa you must hate your job.

Let's go Buffs!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

extrapoint - Awesome! I thought you might be leaning that way. Don't know about the pants thing though!

I have to give you credit, you've always said that Hawkins would replace Cody when another Qb had been developed. It certainly looks like we've reached that point; now we'll see if Hawk will do the right thing.

Posted by jthudge on October 6, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa, you are a punk!

Posted by brobertson on October 6, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ummmmmmmmmmm vkberlinn : Oklahoma's colors are crimson and cream. Not Nebraska's.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jthudge - "ad hominem" (look it up!)

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you don't change a qb mid season

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Flyer, thanks for reminding us of that well known football truism: it's OK to throw away the entire season, but don't ever fool with the coach's son.

Some people refer to that as the Hugh Charles Rule!

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You dont care about winning Daddy! You just want Cody out! Even if Cody went undefeated for the rest of his career, you'd still want him out!

You're not a Buff Fan, you're just a bitter idiot with a vengeance on The Hawkins Family!

Posted by buffballaz on October 6, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You guys are all on this website way to much.
Dont you have anything else to do. Go Buffs!!

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 6, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who likes to hide when the Buffs are doing well I might add... a trolling bitter coward with far too much time on his hands!

Posted by buffalo_flyer on October 6, 2008 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you start switching qb's and the season is toast

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 6, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right Gordon, I root for the underdog; the guy who pulls himself up by the bootstraps; the guy who wins the job with hard work, talent, and determination.

Therefore, I probably never can root for a player who has had all the advantages, special treament, and familial privilege that Cody Hawkins has enjoyed.

Posted by csupbuff on October 6, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is pathetic.

GO BUFFS

WE ARE YOUNG

I'm sorry but I refuse to bash the buffs like all the people on here with absolutely pathetic attitudes. Stay positive. Our team isn't perfect. But they are the buffs. And thats the team I love. I have opinions, but I can't give them without writing a novel and rambling on about how pathetic all the fans seem on this site. Stay positive.

Posted by SoCoBuff on October 6, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In all reality we will be lucky to go 7-5 this year. It's not like were going to win the north. Now is as good a time as any to get Ballenger some reps. That way by next year or 2010 he will be a seasoned vet. By then the O-line, backfield and linebackers that we recruited this year will have realized their full potential. On a separate note. Is anyone else not a fan of these new uniforms. I don't like the grey numbers. I think we should keep it clean and traditional. The white on white screams "Barnett era" and the black with grey with gold is too gaudy. Just thought I would throw that out there.

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 6, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pgordon...spot on with the fact whosnepafish wasn't around at 3-0...that's one subject he avoids talking about...I pointed that out on several occassions, he's afraid to address the issue...all whosnepafish wants to obsess over is the Hawkins Family...everyone on the CU Buffs will confirm Cody's earned the job, in fact, the other QB's have said so...oh, but wait, in whosnepafish's world, the other QB's are afraid to speak their minds because Cody's dad is the coach...it would be so great to have Cody's Buffs teammates shut this fools pie hole once and for all, explaining just how idiotic and off base his Hawkins rants are...whosnepafish must have lost his high school QB job or girlfriend to Cody @ Bishop Kelly and simply can't get over it...I'm sure he stalks the kid...this low life would send offensive texts if he had Cody's cell number...Laughingstock, is a pathetic troll...

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 6, 2008 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whosnepafish...how is it you've come to know so much about Cody Hawkins? Where do you get all your inside info about how he's been treated growing up? Did you follow him around like a little puppy dog back at BK? Did he not give you enough attention? Obviously you're attention starved here. It's probably just jealousy, you always dreamt of playing college football and than you weren't good enough to be an Elite 11 QB like Cody. Or lead your team to consecutive State Championships. Yep, you were relegated to water boy, so take out all those pent up aggressions here. It's kinda sad your life has come to this, obsessing over a college QB and his father. Daddy didn't give you enough praise did he?

Posted by pgordon5446 on October 7, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whosyourdaddy...

Just for the sake of argument, is it not possible the coach's son happens to be the best man for the job (although NOW this fact is up for debate.) I agree nepotism is bad, but if the entire team cringes when people question Cody's starter status, he must be a legit starter who earned his spot. Do you really think the entire team has rallied around Cody for the past year and a half out of nothing more than fear of paternal repercussions from Coach Hawk?

Look man, Im really not trying to attack you here, but it seems like this is really a personal issue for you. We all have had unfortunate things happen to us in life at one time or another. Every single person on this board has had things not fall their way at times. Thats life! The best way to deal with it is to as you say "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", stay positive, and keep fighting. Kinda sounds like Cody as of recent.

If you can never let go of the anger of misfortune, it comes out in all kinds of weird ways. Like personal vendettas against QB's and coaches carried out on message boards. Gotta let this anger go man! However nepotism hurt you in the past, let it go! If you're living in the past, you're pissing on the present!

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 5:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

...ummmmmmmmmmm vkberlinn : Oklahoma's colors are crimson and cream. Not Nebraska's...

righto big guy huskers are scarlet and cream and the kornkobs hate it when referenced as crimson and cream.

play their boards when i get bored

Posted by rodrigo on October 7, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Today's challenge: A free yellow t-shirt to toss for anyone who can guess the genius who posted these comments:

June 13: “Pelini probably will win 8 or more games this season. He's a winner with lots of experience in Big time college football. He'll compete well against big 12 talent.”

Later June 13: “Pelini wins a minimum of 8 games.
Wins
Western Michigan
San Jose State
New Mexico State
Virginia Tech
Iowa State
Baylor
Kansas
Kansas State
Toss ups
Missouri
Texas Tech
Colorado
Losses
Oklahoma”

June 17: “Anyone that doesn't think Bo will make a huge turn around on defense this season is just biased.”

Biased, indeed. Nice shutout, nepa.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 7, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gordon - Thanks for the advice. But I find this nepotism issue pretty interesting. It isn't anything personal for me - this is just the modern water-cooler. Nepotism is such a despicable concept and something that is almost never seen anymore at any level of society, I honestly can't believe how accepting some of you guys are of something so odious.

As I've said many times before, Cody seems like a pretty good kid, and he might make a decent QB somewhere else (probably at the D-1AA level from what I can tell). But if he's really so good he should not have chosen to play at the school where his father is the head coach.

This father/son/player/coach thing never has, and never will, pass the smell test.

Posted by rodrigo on October 7, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excuse me? Nepotism is "something that is almost never seen anymore at any level of society"???????????????????????????????

I honestly can't believe you actually just typed that.

Posted by extrapoint on October 7, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pistol pete maravich comes to mind

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 7, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ep - You're right about PP. But I said 'anymore'

Read his book he goes into detail about the negative impact nepotism had on him.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nepotism

lets see, Bo and his other brother Bo coaching the scarlet and cream

two, two, two defensive coordinators in two.

Course one claims to be the head coach.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wonder if Tom O realized when he hired bo he was hiring the whole family?

Nepa and wyd are you on the staff as well?

Posted by extrapoint on October 7, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bob and Mike Stoops come to mind as a failure

Posted by nepabuff on October 7, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea, that national championship and multiple big 12 championships were big failures.

Guess that's why Stoops is in the top 5 in Coaches Salaries.

Posted by greeleybuff on October 7, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dahuskernuts is a pretty tough guy!!

ignore him buff4life!!

We have a very young team with mostly sophomores and redshirt freshmen on the line and true freshmen running backs.

Love the Buffs!!

Posted by GoBuffs05 on October 7, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Occam's razor: All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.

Now what's more simple and plausible; that Coach Hawkins is risking his coaching career in order for his son to be the starting QB, all the while keeping the other coaches and players in line with veiled threats of firings, benchings and/or scholarship revocations?

Or that Cody simply showed himself to be the best QB (both last season and in the offseason), who is currently going through a slump?

That being said, if Cody's struggles continue, and the team suffers, Ballenger should (and I believe the coaches will) give him a chance.

Posted by BEL on October 7, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am absolutely shocked by how much time nepabuff (aka buffwonder, 2ndbuff, tallisall, kenny) devotes to reading and posting on these CU football message boards. Whenever a football article appears, he will often spend up to 12 hours per day on the Daily Camera website in his efforts to bash the Hawkins family. And, he has been doing this without fail for the past 3 years. Whenever one of his aliases gets banned or shut down due to rules violations, he simply reappears under a new name. Like a drug addict, he suffers from withdrawal symptoms if he cannot get his daily fix of bashing the Hawkins family. And, the sad part is that he does not even realize that he has this addiction.

The light-hearted banter and smack coming from the occasional rival fan is harmless enough, but nepabuff's singularity of destructive intent and misguided purpose and behavior seems very abnormal and aberrant.

Nepabuff, I have to admit that you are an amazing freak. Don't you have any other activities or goals in life that are more worthwhile and productive? Or, are you simply a mental cripple with nothing else better to do? In the grand scheme of things, is your constant bashing of the Hawkins family going to make the world a better place or make you a better person? For your own sake and sanity, try to find some balance and get a life!

I can also see that your compatriot, whoisyourdaddy, has also recently become afflicted with the same addiction. Whoisyourdaddy, your accusations of nepotism is a direct slap in Hawk's face. You are essentially saying that Hawk cannot make a fair and impartial decision on who should be the starting QB. I have said it before and I will say it again: you, sir, are the one with the biased and jaundiced eye who chose to pass judgement on Hawk and his son on Day 1, long before they even had a chance to prove themselves. All I can say is that Hawk will make the right decision and play the QB, whomever it may be, that gives the team the best chance of winning.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nepa
mike did what when he left his "daddy-brother"

and how bout bo and bo and scarlet and creamers?

Poor TO he did not no. (nowledge)

Posted by Black_Rob on October 7, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nepa Kenny is pissed because dancing just got banned in his rural Nebraska town. Some new hotshot just moved to town, and he's gonna challenge him to "chicken on tractors", after the kid gets out of school this afternoon.

Posted by Black_Rob on October 7, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Get him Kenneth!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZoJle...

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 7, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Careful there GoBuffs05, common sense posts like yours don't compute for whosnepafish...you see, it HAS TO BE nepotism that got Cody the job...LOL

Posted by Dizonrocks on October 7, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For those who may have missed it, here's what I believe is a pretty accurate assessment of the QB situation for the Buffs (Denver Post)...whosnepafish, make note of the author's explanation why he didn't play for his dad, who also was a college coach...should clear up some of those delutions of yours...
http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci...

Posted by archalon on October 7, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I must be old if I understand Black Rob's movie reference.......

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 7, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i don't think it is delusional to say that cody is a detriment to the team - weak arm, no legs, cannot see above the line. those are facts.

is nepotism a problem? not sure, but if cody continues to stink up the place, hopefully daddy will do the right thing.

6 and 6 is not good enought for me, but i can see how if might be for many of the rah rah sis boom bah cheerleaders on this site. that's fine too, just don't keep calling CU a powerhouse.

at least OUBuff knows the truth: "Fish, like you I have followed CU for many years my guess is since the 1975 season or so. I have seen the highs and the lows. Face it, CU is not a dynasty type program in the mold of OU/UT/USC/Bama etc. So I don't set my expectations based upon those programs."

OUbuff - you are right. CU has not been a powerhouse program, but that's what I want as a fan.

Posted by nolanjp on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the students are the best fans in the stadium, they create the most noise while everyone else at folsom sits on their hands. when i had season tickets, and i currently live in iowa, it pissed me off most season tickets holders don't yell or do anything. go students, keep making noice and creating havick, but don't throw anything on the field.

Posted by mcw7168917 on October 7, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i completely agree nolanjp. The students are the people who give Folsom that energy. I sat with my parents most of the time vs. UT and it was weird to have a conversation at normal voice volume. The student section will be loud as long as they stay there. It was just embarrassing to watch all the T-shirts fly from the stands. I partially blame whoever gave them to us. We would throw them no matter if we were winning or not.

Posted by GoBuffs05 on October 7, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I graduated a few years ago but I continue to sit in the student section (better view than my actual seats in the south stands). I love the energy and noise created by the student section and wish more of the rest of the stadium would follow suit in singing the fight song and getting loud on 3rd down. However, throwing stuff on the field, yelling "F**k you ___" and flipping off the other team is weak and classless. Can't blame the sponsor for giving out T-shirts either, it falls on the shoulders of those who actually threw those things on the field.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...don't think it is delusional to say that cody is a detriment to the team - weak arm, no legs, cannot see above the line. those are facts...

Fish, do not force your standards on us. Keep out of our personal preferences. you know what I mean. Perfectly happy with what we have, how dare you insuate that you have the right answers and can come in here and tell us what we need, how we need it and what do to with it. Stay out of our private parts and our bedrooms and our lives.

You sound like a FAR supporter. Thank God.

Posted by roamingbuff on October 7, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reading the Post article that Dizonrocks posted shows why I think Ballenger should start this weekend.

The article brings up a good point about "perceived" favoritism. It may not really exist - but it is perceived.

Play Ballenger, but don't announce it. Just have him walk on the field during the first series. Kansas will not have prepared for him. He might stretch the "d" with a stronger arm, and throw them off ballance. They will have prepared for a totally different guy at QB.

By making Ballenger the 'official' starter - it takes the heat off Cody. He doesn't have to be 'the man' week in and week out. He might benefit from a respit.

It also sends the message that dad isn't affraid to bench his son - thus quelling speculation from fans, and potential recruits.

If Ballenger does well - good. It helps the team. If Ballenger struggles - bring Cody back. He gets to play
"savior". He may return with that spark that seems to be missing. And if he saves the day -it solidifies him in the eyes of his team, the fans, and future recruits.

Its not like CU is batteling for first place in the Big 12 - or standings in the BCS. Heck - if you gamble on 4th and 4 from your own 35 from time to time - why not be a gambler here? Play
Ballenger for a quarter. If he's lookin' good - fine. If not - put Cody back in.

And CU tends to platoon at various positions anyway. Why not QB too? With Balleneger behind center, it might change the way we block - cuz you don't have to open passing lanes like you do with Cody. That might help the O-line.

The way CU is playing right now - what the heck - roll the dice.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

roamingbuff

Exactly.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 7, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vkberlinn - you can have your opinion and your average at best buffs. rah rah.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 7, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as for the FAR, bad policy is bad policy - just like starting your less than average son at qb! this is DI football!

Posted by rodrigo on October 7, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmmm...

Now there's an interesting take(unlike the repitious 'cody sucks' drivel some try to ram down our throats)and pretty compelling argument.

I second roamingbuff's motion.

Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 7, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so when when roamingbuff says it, it makes sense, but when i do, you have to make personal attacks? vk - i thought we had mutual respect?

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SOUP

you say it the wrong way. People take offense.

be a kinder gentler fish. goldfish would be nice.

Posted by OUBuff on October 7, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"OUbuff - you are right. CU has not been a powerhouse program, but that's what I want as a fan."
Fish, don't get me wrong. I would love that, I am just not willing to make that the minimum acceptable standard. I think that even those you call demean as "rah rah's" would like that.

I also think to make the statement that Cody is a detriment to the team can be said of all of the players and coaches. Seriously, unless they are the best in the nation at their position, they are officially a detriment to the team, don't you think.

I know this takes it to the rediculous extreme, but come on how about picking on another player that is a detriment. Maybe you can go after Josh Smith for his many return gaffs or maybe Goodman for missing some FGs. Hey, did anyone miss a tackle in the last two weeks? Fire 'em, I say!! If you are looking for CU to improve, how about helping us all out and criticize all of the poor play. Pretty soon, we will be to walk-ons and student assistant coaches when we fire everyone that fails to live up to your standards. I don't think that will lead to the "powerhouse."

Now, I don't think that is where you are going. I think you care about this team, sad that it appears what you really care about is the coach's son.

I just think we all need to lighten up a little. Hum a few bars of the fight song and look at the status of your 401K holdings... that will make you feel better I'm sure.

Posted by nepabuff on October 7, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you know Bohn only interviewed 2 people for the job?

Bill McCartney wanted Embree.

But then, both Bohn and Hawkins have ties to Idaho.

Did we get the best man for the job?

Posted by vkberlinn on October 7, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yup right yup

An aside. How many did tommy interview?

Posted by OUBuff on October 7, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by nepabuff on October 7, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you know Bohn only interviewed 2 people for the job?

Bill McCartney wanted Embree.

But then, both Bohn and Hawkins have ties to Idaho.

Did we get the best man for the job?"

No, but hey it probly is the same question YOUR employer is asking.

I am sure there were better coaches out there, but this is Colorado, not exactly the most sought after job in the NCAA. There are challenges coaching at Colorado that are not at places like Michigan, ND or say Ohio St.

Seriously... who cares. Doesn't matter because Hawk will be graded upon his success/failure not in comparison to what could have been in a more untested Embree.

Nepa, you are a piece of work. It is almost like you ARE Barnett; acting like the "last act of defiance" mouse on those T-shirts.

Posted by mtnboykev35 on October 7, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

roaminbuff those are good points. Like the platton idea. That being said, and being at the Texas game live, I have to say that our receiver did nothing to help Cody out. I will say that our receivers are horrible in getting separation from DB's. I made it a point to watch when the play was close and noticed P Williams ran routs like he did not care to be out there, no energy.