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Football player citations since January
Riar Geer, a junior tight end, was arrested Saturday morning on suspicion of second-degree assault and harassment for allegedly assaulting two 19-year-old men outside a party at 18th and Cascade streets.
Lynn Katoa, a freshman linebacker, was arrested Friday on suspicion of second-degree assault for allegedly assaulting another student at an off-campus party Feb. 16.
Kai Maiava, a sophomore fullback, was ticketed on suspicion of underage possession and consumption of alcohol at a CU residence hall Jan. 19.
Nate Vaiomounga, a sophomore outside linebacker, was ticketed on suspicion of criminal mischief less than $500 for allegedly breaking a window at a CU residence hall Jan. 19. He also was ticketed for underage possession and consumption of alcohol Feb. 16.
A University of Colorado football player accused of hitting two people outside a party late Friday was suspended from the team Saturday and became the second CU player arrested by police in a 24-hour period.
Riar Geer, a first-string tight end for the Buffs, is accused of assaulting two 19-year-old men outside a party at 18th and Cascade streets just before midnight, according to Boulder police.
The incident was not related to the earlier arrest of freshman linebacker Lynn Katoa, who was arrested Friday on suspicion that he assaulted another student at an off-campus party Feb. 16.
Officers contacted Geer, a junior, shortly after responding to a report of a man who had been hit in the face. When they arrived, police found two victims -- Hunter Wright and Alexander Williams -- who were bleeding from their mouths, police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said in a news release.
"The victims and witnesses told police they had been confronted by a suspect, who knocked a hat from one of their friend's head," the release said. "A subsequent verbal dispute then turned violent."
The victims flagged down an officer after the fight, and gave a detailed description. About 15 minutes later, CU police contacted Geer on campus. He had cuts above his eyebrow and on his hands, and was positively identified by the victims, police said.
Williams was taken to the hospital to be examined for injuries to his mouth and teeth. He was treated and released.
Wright declined medical treatment.
Geer was booked into the Boulder County Jail on suspicion of second-degree assault and harassment. He remained in custody Saturday night, and no bond amount had been set.
A starting tight end, Geer played injured much of last season after tearing a meniscus cartilage in his left knee in a loss to Florida State in early September. The sophomore came to CU as part of Coach Gary Barnett's last recruiting class.
Current head coach Dan Hawkins on Saturday said Geer has been suspended "from everything football-related" -- including spring practices, which begin Monday.
"It's unfortunate we've had these instances back-to-back, and once again, I do not condone our players engaging in this kind of conduct," Hawkins said. "We will continue to engage them through several orientations and presentations on how to be first class in every phase of their lives."
Hawkins said Geer's suspension is indefinite, pending a review by the CU Office of Judicial Affairs.
Other CU administrators on Saturday condemned the series of alleged assaults, saying violent behavior from student athletes, or any students, could result in suspension or expulsion from the university.
"We will not tolerate this type of behavior at CU -- it is counter to the values of our student body," CU Chancellor Bud Peterson said in a statement posted on the CU Web site.
Peterson said news last week that Fairview High School officials and Boulder police are investigating a "fight club" organized by a group of students demonstrates a larger problem not confined to CU.
"This problem is not limited to a small number of our student-athletes," Peterson wrote. "We have seen it from time to time in confrontations among our students that are based on petty squabbles and that too often end up with stitches, surgeries and long recoveries."
Peterson went on to say reforms made within the CU athletic department under the leadership of former CU President Hank Brown are undermined when student athletes compromise their positions as representatives of the university.
"We can ill afford to see our hard work and shared values undone by poor choices on the part of even a small number of our student-athletes," Peterson wrote.
Since January, four CU football players have had run-ins with police.
On Jan. 19, CU police were called to a residence hall on campus on a report of a combative male, police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said. Kai Maiava, a sophomore fullback, was ticketed for underage possession and consumption of alcohol.
Nate Vaiomounga, a sophomore outside linebacker, was charged the same night at the same location with criminal mischief under $500 on suspicion that he broke a window in the residence hall. Vaiomounga also was charged with underage possession and consumption of alcohol during a separate incident on Feb. 16, Wiesley said.
CU spokesman Bronson Hilliard said while all CU students are expected and required to conform to university rules of conduct, student athletes are held to higher standards because they are "highly visible."
"They've got to recognize that the spotlight follows them wherever they go," Hilliard said.
He added that, occasionally, CU student athletes draw undeserved ill will.
"I don't think it should be lost on anyone that people make targets out of our student athletes," Hilliard said. "I think it's a big deal for people to call out an athlete and measure how tough they are by doing that. But that's not an excuse. These guys are responsible for walking away from as much of that as they can. That's what public figures do -- that's what responsible athletes do."
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Posted by buff75 on March 16, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Come on Hawk! Clean it up so the crazy radicals don't use it as a reason to start bad pub. I trust Hawk can figure out the problems and make the program one everyone will be proud of. Go Buffs!!
Posted by ryanrehkop on March 16, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this is bullsh*t and so bad for CU. This will hurt in recruiting and start giving CU that image back that took so long to get rid of.
Posted by nolanjp on March 16, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hawk can't do it all. cu football players have large targets on there backs. you guys here about noel devine of west virginia? he got arrested as well lately
Posted by GoldenBoy on March 16, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
it has nothing to do with coach hawkins or them "having large targets on their backs." I go to CU and see football players at parties every weekend. These kids have big heads and think they can get away with everything. Dont get me wrong im a huge buff fan but these kids need to start taking more responsibility for their poor decisions....
Posted by rodrigo on March 16, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Please.
To suggest football players or other high-profile athletes don't have targets on their backs is just plain naive. The rest of your post I agree with GB, but c'mon, bud, it takes two (or more) to fight.
Read the story again. Or better yet, let me help you:
"I don't think it should be lost on anyone that people make targets out of our student athletes," Hilliard said. "I think it's a big deal for people to call out an athlete and measure how tough they are by doing that. But that's not an excuse. These guys are responsible for walking away from as much of that as they can. That's what public figures do -- that's what responsible athletes do."
Posted by BigBuff on March 16, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is more of a product of Boulder in my opinion. I live in AZ now and if it happened here are there were no serious injuries, the cops would have let everyone go. It's just a fight. I mean, come on. Nobody's ever been in a fight before?
Posted by rswright on March 16, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't let them get away with it.
That attitude,reflected above, that boys will be boys, lead to CU paying 2.3 million to two girls. (how easily you forget).
If they are targets of violence they should respond like every other victum, walk away or go to the police. If they respond with violence (barring self defense) then they should be punished like any other person. Sorry, if this were the first time CU athletes were in trouble instead of the umpteenth time, some forgiveness would be in order, but it isn't. Two incidents in 3 days. If they are guilty of assault, toss them out.
If you keep them it will only show the others that they can get away with anything because they play football.
Posted by tallisall on March 17, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Will Hawkins toss a much needed 5 star recruit or "give a 2d chance" ?????
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One of the wonderful things about living in this country is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Another is the opportunity to make a mistake, learn from it and become a better person.
Tall, your question is relevent only to the extent it applies to coaches and high-profile players/recruits at West Virginia, Nebraska, Penn State, Alabama, USC, and every other program in the country.
I claim no insight as to what transpired the night Katoa (or Geer, Christenson at Nebraska or Noel Devine, for that matter) was arrested. Those details will emerge in court, as they should.
Toss a kid now? What happens if the charges are dropped? Or in court he's found innocent and exonerated? Should WVU's Devine, who has a life-long history of trouble, be gone?
Of course there is always the possibility that you raise the question - and single out Hawkins - only to stroke your own twisted psyche.
Posted by tallisall on March 17, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The strength coach may considered lowering the steriod doses down a notch or two also..
Posted by rswright on March 17, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry the presumption of innocence is not enough to overcome the fact that the police had probable cause for the arrests. And two of them in 3 days. We are coming out of an era of scandals (2.3 million to victums of football violence)and now we get two football players accused of violence in 3 days. Give them due process of course, but if guilty of a crime, it is better for the program that they go. To keep them will only subject CU to the same innuendos and snickers to which it was subject in the past. The fans CU needs (not just the hard core) will not support a team which chooses criminals to represent CU.
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
rs, once again you prove yourself the master of twisting what other people say (and not being all that well-informed in the process).
The truth is cases such as these are dropped all of the time - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/st.... Not saying these particular ones will be but "giving them due process of course" means they are not "criminals" as of yet.
IF found guilty then we can talk about the appropriate punishement. Until that time, due process mandates that they are innocent. To do anything else would violate their due process, subjecting the University to a potential lawsuit, which you of all people should know it cannot afford.
Man am I glad you're just a pissed-off but harmless hack and not someone who holds a position of power or authority anywhere.
Posted by nwbuff32 on March 17, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nebraska fans should not throw stones in glass meth labs. At least our players hit men, not women.
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm beginning to think Rodrigo is Cody Hawkins... How else can you explain such blind homerism?
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Huh?
Okay, let's agree that everyone who's ever been accused of anything should be summarily judged unworthy of just cause and fired/divorced/thrown out of school/executed.
Let's start with Tallisall, rswright and Buff_bronc-fan.
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
He was positively identified by the victims... Case closed. See ya in 2009 Riar Geer. Way to be a total f*ck up.
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow. And here I thought McCarthyism died out in the 50s.
You folks are f-ed up.
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, and while we're at it, Darrel Scott might as well be declared ineligible and Dan Hawkins fired as coach, too.
Afterall, all those victims down in Texas "positively identified" them as engaging in dirty recruiting.
Posted by cubuffone on March 17, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's Barnett's fault. The f..ing guy needs to keep a rein on his players. or allthe $$ he is getting paid, he should be able to control his kids better- what the hell is he doing? I can't believe they allow their players to do this and that they encourage this type of behavior.
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Apples and Oranges Rod, but nice try. I'll happily come on here and publicly admit what a moronic lynch-mobber I've been if he's acquitted... But a quick reality check says that ain't gonna happen...
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Someone tell cubuffone it's not 2005 anymore...
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well Buff_bronc, for the record, if either is found guilty then by all means they should be gone... one year, two years? Forever? The punishment, like the crime, will be determined by due cause.
Which is what I've been debating - due cause, not Geer's or Katoa's innocence. Of course such details seem to have escaped you. They are, however, separate issues.
I'm just hopeful I don't live in a state where you could potentially sit on a jury.
And I think buffone was being facetious... another subtlety that flew right by you.
Posted by tallisall on March 17, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hawkins can play both of them. The legal system can be stalled until the end of the season, that way he can use the "innocent until proven guilty" angle to put them on the field..
Works at Miami and Nebraska like a charm..
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I assumed he was being facetious the first time I read it. Then after reading it a second time, it wasn't abundantly clear. And it's hard to tell someone's tone over the internet when you don't know them-- Generally I only remember the regulars that piss me off or amuse me, and he doesn't fall into either of those categories...
Back to the issue at hand. I'm all for due process. I obviously want the kid to get a fair shake in court-- But I wasn't born yesterday, I've seen drunken fights on the hill, in all probablity Geer will be prosecuted and will miss a season just like Sipili. I hope that's not the case, I hope it's self defense-- but the fact that they have already arrested and pressed charges is bad enough. The suspension is already in place... The damage has been done... But low and behold, you, the ultimate Buffs homer, who always jumps peoples' asses the second they say anything remotely negative about the program, are here to make excuses...
Why can't we just call it what it is... A moronic move which has damaged Geer and damaged the program. I love the Buffs, but there's no excuse for putting yourself in these situations when you're an elite D-1 athlete with the potential to go pro. Period.
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Someone tell Tall that both have been suspended from play (Geer from practice as well) until AFTER due process works its course.
Geez. At least read the articles before starting in on the hate, peanut.
Posted by tallisall on March 17, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They are suspended now, but the season doesn't start for several months..
CU needs the players, use the "Lawrence Phillips" model..
Get the charges dropped, suspend them for a couple of minor games as "punishment" then let them play letting the CU PR machine rave about Hawkins giving them a "second chance" because that's what a decent human being would do...
Won the Huskers a national championship...
Posted by cubuffone on March 17, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I thought we just went through a whole lesson on satire and sarcasm a coupleof weeks ago- sheesh
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bbf,
Well, I certainly take issue with the characterization that I'm making excuses. Jumping peoples' asses, being a homer, I'll happily wear those hats, but unlike some who routinely show up here at least I can spell, speak in complete sentences, put two logical thoughts together and don't rely on hatred of others to get through the day.
So, please show me where I've made an excuse for anyone...
Other than that, we're agreed. On the face of it, it's hard to figure what was going through Geer's brain. But then again, I wasn't there.
Posted by tallisall on March 17, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"AND I NEVER LEARNED TO READ!!!!!!!!!".... LOL...
Lighten up Rod.. Actually I personally think the PC crowd has made what used to be a beer brawl into a big deal...
Not necessary, boys will be boys...
Posted by cubuffone on March 17, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The important question to ask is- what fundamental changes have we seen since 2005? We still have a losing team, we still have athletes that get into trouble, and we obviously still have negative publicity. We went through a complete revamp of a system with a new president, new chancellor, new coach, new AD with new policies, new players and a whopping $2 million+ settlement and we are still dealing with the same old S^%T-is that right? Does that make sense so far? Last time we held the Coach, AD, Chancellor and President accountable. Who do we go after now? Heads rolling are becoming rather too common but we must find some heads to keep the heads rolling.
Posted by rodrigo on March 17, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gosh, T,
I was referring to WhosYourDaddy...
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cubuffone, sarcasm is easier to pick up on when you're actually being funny...
Rod, I think we're finding a middle ground here... I, too, speak in complete sentences and often times put multiple logical thoughts together. That should count for something. Though, I'll concede, I may rely a little too much on my hatred of others to get through the day. That's a hat I'll wear.
In terms of excuses, I was basically interpreting your "innocent until proven guilty" argument as an excuse here... Because, as I was saying, the damage is already done. He can't be 'unarrested'. In any case, I think we're mostly talking past each other and are in agreement that it was a bonehead move.
Posted by BigBuff on March 17, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dude, it's a fight and if you've ever been in one, it's probably not one sided. It's not the end of the world. If it happened someplace else, they would have let everyone go at the scene (unless there were serious injuries). These are young kids. They're allowed to make mistakes. Get off the high horse.
Posted by LongmontNU on March 17, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The ESPN and Fox Sports college football section is starting to read like a "COPS" episode....
Posted by cubuffone on March 17, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
buff-bronc first of all you need to lighten up. Secondly figure out if you are a buff or a bronc. It just seems odd to be a fan of both, you either like dudes or gals, beer or wine, pasta or rice, meat or veggies... catch my drift
Posted by extrapoint on March 17, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
buff_bronc_ Tall_whos are sounding strangely similar and familiar. Rswright is the only fool who I can separate with confidence. Wait till someone beats up a tennis player, though.
The PC crowd is entirely out of control. Anyone who wasnt in a fight when they were young is in the extreme mnority. This isnt condoning fighting, but it is very hard to completely avoid all the aholes out there. There are defintely a few football players who fit this catagory too
however
I know from personal experience these guys do have targets on their backs, and the vast majority og them do handle it with decorum.
Posted by Seattle_Buff on March 17, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang, we're ranked 5th on the Fulmer Cup. This is one contest we don't want to be winning....
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.c...
Posted by buffalo_flyer on March 17, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
feels more like 1989 all the time, right on
Posted by rswright on March 17, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rodrigo,
The presumption of innocence merely means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution and failure to meet that burden results in an acquittal. It means nothing more.The FBI has over a 98% conviction rate so if they arrest someone it is safe to say they are probably guilty.
Now, the Boulder police it appears had probable cause to arrest these players. Probable cause means, at the minimum, that there were facts which indicate guilt. If they are found guilty, or even cop a plea, they don't belong on the team. We need every fan we can get and having criminals on the team doesn't help ticket sales.
Extrapoint: This crowd is not out of control because, unlike you, they know the difference between being in a fight when you are young and assault greivous enough to result in arrest.
Sorry you and Rodrigo lose this one.
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 17, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BigBuff-- If they were young kids, I'd give them a break... They're not; they're young adults who are subject to the same laws as older adults. Furthermore, they are having their education paid for by the school. Like it or not, they're held to a higher standard. If they don't like it, they can trade in their tuition and monthly expense checks. Last I checked, they didn't hand those out to young kids.
EP-- I'll echo rswright's thoughts and ask you to read my above comments... It has nothing to do with PC, it has everything to do with following basic laws that fall under the common sense category for anyone-- It borders on idiotic when you're a starter for a D-1 football team.
cubuffone-- I'll lighten up when you get funnier. I'm just busting balls. And I'm a CU Buffs and Denver Broncos fan- seems pretty logical to me?
Posted by JAWS on March 17, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rswright, tallisall, and buff_bronc_fan - YOU ARE ALL FU**ING IDIOTS!!! Are you seriously comparing the BPD to the FBI you Jacka$$??!! Yes - the Feds have a high conviction rate because they arrest (on average) LARGE groups of people in order to 'force' them to testify against one another - pretty efficient method if you have the CASH and time to support that type of prosecution and investigation. The Boulder Police are NOTORIOUS around the country (John Mark Carr, Jon Benet, etc...) for botching not only investigations, but also unlawfully prosecuting individuals ALL the time. Please,please,please,DON'T embarrass those of us who have attended Law School and passed the bar. I, for one, HAVE been wrongfully charged with a crime (If you're interested - I WHOOPED the State in court and ended up getting in to law as opposed to getting my MBA, simply because I experienced 'first-hand' what it's like to have my Civil Rights violated like a 8th class citizen... But you know what, you future fuc*ing MENSA President, I let due process run it's course and the truth came out as it does nearly 100% of the time - guilty or innocent!! if they are guilty, we'll find out. If they are innocent, we'll find out. Until then, when the facts come out in the proper Court of Law, Shut your Communist mouth and act like a God dam* American Citizen who has, at the bare minimum , a teensy-weensy 3rd grade understanding of the law and legal system - OR LEAVE!!!
Posted by JAWS on March 17, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Go to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Darfur, France etc… and preach your idiotic beliefs to somebody else's culture whom has already mastered living in fear and ruling out of more fear. You are an embarrassment to this state and to this country... It's because of people like you that our legal system, co-mingled with our media, have caused anyone who has ever been looked at wrongfully by a 'peace officer' (Oxy-moron of them all) as the next Ted Bundy. Make sure the next time you see a Boulder Cop that you pat him/her/DA Mary Keenan Lacy on the back for their admirable and exemplary work that has been constantly tossed by every Appellate court on both the State and Federal level’s, and also: Remind EVERY Denver Police officer that you DO NOT DESERVE to be killed for holding a FUC*ING Coca-cola can in your hand while you are sleeping in your own house - as well as making sure to let them know that you are not a mentally retarded teenager who has called 911 on himself to get help (but instead was SHOT and KILLED...) Until then, Let's get ‘The Gallows’ and 'The Chair' ready for Geer and Katoa, because, according to your uneducated and pinheaded beliefs, they are as good as dead and obviously worthless individuals...
Posted by JAWS on March 17, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buff_bronc_fan, rswright, tallisall, my only wish this year is that the 3 of you go to Columbia or Venezuela for 'vacation' together and get arrested for nothing, since you are all clearly’ tea-totaling saint's,’ and then maybe you’ll see how fortunate you are to live in the US where you ARE presumed innocent until proven guilty. Until then, do a tiny bit of research before you start spilling your inaccurate legal jargon and convicting people that: “Because your' mom's friend's aunt, who heard once that it rained in Boulder on July 17th of 1841 heard from a friend of this guy in South Carolina who dated a girl named Lynne (SIC) and had a son who worked on transmissions especially the 'Geer's' (SIC) inside of them that both of these guys may possibly be guilty.” Go back to Gary's bedroom in Scottsdale and keep pleasing him and worshiping him while you're on your conference call with Osborne, Pederson, Jesse Jackson, and Michael Moore and you all sleep tight tonight - you wastes of space... PS: Tell Mack Brown that we say 'hi' and we'll see him soon and as soon as you find the Bank that Darrell Scott's mom was going to work at, to please e-mail me a job application because I have a friend whose son is looking for a job... If I haven't made it clear: You are clearly STUPID STUPID STUPID and we'd all love it if you left this site and instead spent your time and money supporting the BPD, DPD, and every other corrupt organization in this state/country... That's all I have to say about that...
Posted by Buff_bronc_fan on March 18, 2008 at 12:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, that was an impressive diatribe Jaws. Clearly, you're bat sh*t crazy, but it was impressive nonetheless. There is no parallel to be drawn between a couple of drunk dudes getting in a fight and Darfur, sorry. Just trying to apply a little common sense here-- you ought to try it sometime.
Posted by JAWS on March 18, 2008 at 2:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Kudos to you for throwing in the word 'diatribe' you even spelled it right... Now go finish up whatever it was that you and Mr. Osborne were doing... does he make you wear a red dress?...
Posted by tallisall on March 18, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang, according to that fulmer cup article, CU is in the lead in criminal arrests to win the big 12 ...
Posted by rswright on March 18, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FACT: CU's football team has a history of violence. FACT: CU paid 2.3 million because of that violence. FACT: 2 football players are arrested for separate acts of violence in less than 24 hours. FACT: it is all over the internet already, perpetuating CU's history of violence.
Are you nuts? Can't you see, what everyone else posting here can see? You guys are making excuses in the face of a history of violence, beating up fellow students and being arrested. It is obvious why potential fans want nothing to do with people like you.
Posted by buffalo_flyer on March 18, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Get over yourselves people, this is no big deal. When I hear something about dragging a woman down a flight of stairs ala nebraska or drugging and anal raping a freshman and ala neuweasel and washington, then I'll agree that some disciplinary action is necessary. CU is still going to suspend any player thats gets arrested regardless of circumstances, case closed.
Posted by rswright on March 19, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess pushing a student's head through a wall is no big deal. And if you want to hear about raping by football players don't go any further than CU paying 2.3 million to 2 women.
(I know,I know the chicks brought it on themselves). Don't you guys ever learn?
Posted by Micah on March 20, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
rswright - you are just bitter the alums care more about football than anything else. Try resigning yourself to the fact football is a necessary evil for a large state university that is so poorly funded.
Posted by rswright on March 20, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Micah:
The problem is not that alums care about football, the problem is not enough alums care about football nor do they support football with the same passion that they yell Go Buffs!The consensus of alums was that Barnett had to go but did they pay for it? They turned in their season tickets by the thousands so we had an 8 million dollar deficit. As you grant CU is poorly funded and provides football mainly for fans and alums don't they have the obligation to support it? If we had a stadium full of alums at every game, Hawk would not admit CU fans only come to Folsom when the better teams play. When CU fans support CU football, win or lose,personal licenses or not, scandal or no, Churchill or no Churchill, then they putting their money where their mouths are. If there is bitterness,it comes from the fact that for CU alums its just easier to allow the students to pay for football or where did you think the 8 million came from?
P.S. No matter how our posters scream they support CU football, the proof CU doesn't have enough football alums shows in Folsom Saturday afternoons.
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