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Former CU football players arrested in armed robbery
2006 QB Jackson and safety Harris jailed on suspicion of felonies
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Former University of Colorado starting quarterback Bernard Jackson, pictured during a March 2007 scrimmage, was arrested on suspicion of first-degree burglary, aggravated robbery and felony menacing.
Photo by Cliff Grassmick
University of Colorado safety Lionel Harris returns an interception against Nebraska.
CU statements on arrests
CU-Boulder Chancellor G.P. “Bud” Peterson: “Allegations such as those against two of our former student-athletes are both troubling and disappointing. As part of their experience here at CU, we actively engage all of our students, and particularly our student-athletes, on the subjects of personal conduct and honorable behavior. We trust that these lessons will serve them well once they have left CU. It is unfortunate that if these allegations are true they will have a negative impact on so many.”
CU Athletic Director Mike Bohn:“We at the University of Colorado are committed to attracting student-athletes of character and quality in all our team sports, and I am personally disappointed that former Buff players appear to have fallen so short of meeting our standards.”
Head football coach Dan Hawkins:“We are running a first class program. It’s disappointing when people fail to grasp the philosophy of ‘Excellence with class' that is Buff football. It is even more upsetting when people fail to adhere to the written laws of man and the unwritten responsibilities of humanity. If these allegations are proven true, the entire University of Colorado community, as well as our society, will neither accept nor tolerate this behavior.”
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Boulder police have arrested two former University of Colorado football players in connection with a “home-invasion-style” armed robbery June 5 on University Hill, and are investigating whether the duo are connected to other reported crimes in the area.
Bernard Jackson, CU’s 2006 starting quarterback, and former safety Lionel Harris, both 23, are being held on suspicion of first-degree burglary, aggravated robbery and felony menacing, police said. Both are being held on a $250,000 bond.
The robbery, which took place in an apartment in the 1000 block of University Avenue, remains under investigation.
“Two individuals broke into the apartment, they confronted the residents with guns and escaped with money,” police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley said. “There were threats made, and the victims are very concerned about their safety.”
She said the crime is unusual because of the “level of violence and weaponry” involved.
At a news conference Saturday, Huntley said the victims in the home invasion were two men, but she declined to provide further details.
She said gang affiliations were not suspected, but would not comment on possible motives.
Huntley would not say what types of firearms were used, or whether police recovered the weapons when three separate search warrants were served on the homes of the suspects and one vehicle.
Court records in the case have been sealed, Huntley said, because investigators do not think the victims were targeted at random.
“At this point, we’re not releasing a lot of details because of concerns about victim safety,” Huntley said. “It appears the suspects had particular reasons for targeting the victims and their locations. We don’t believe the general public is at risk.”
Huntley said she did not know if the victims had a relationship with the suspects prior to the robbery, but the intruders “knew who they were.” She said she did not think the victims were current or former CU football players.
Investigators also are looking into other crimes that have occurred on University Hill that may be connected to the home invasion, Huntley said, noting that additional arrests are possible.
“We are looking at the possibility they may have been involved in other types of crimes,” Huntley said about Jackson and Harris. “We started getting reports of criminal activity that was happening on the University Hill area over the last several weeks. We were able to link them” to the June 5 robbery.
Jackson was arrested at 6:20 p.m. Friday at his apartment in the 2200 block of Pearl Street, police said. The former quarterback’s CU career ended when he was ruled academically ineligible for his senior season just before the season started in 2007.
From Corona, Calif., Jackson redshirted and practiced at quarterback during the 2003 season and was moved to wide receiver and kick returner in 2004. He became starting quarterback in the second week of the 2006 season, in which the Buffs struggled to a 2-10 record overall.
Jackson became a father in 2005 and in early 2006 he learned his son, Jayden, had retinoblastoma, a cancer of the eye.
Before being ruled ineligible, Jackson admitted that dealing with the pressure and responsibility of being a father to a sick child as well as being a student and a football player had taken a toll on him.
Harris was arrested by Westminster police about 1 a.m. Saturday on a Boulder warrant. From Manvel, Texas, he was a senior safety last season.
Both Jackson and Harris remained in the Boulder County Jail on Saturday night.
Sgt. Tim Kellison said the men were cooperating and are staying in separate cells in the “intake area” of the jail, away from the general population of long-term inmates.
“There’s no special arrangements — right now they’re just normal prisoners,” Kellison said. “They’re perfectly normal guys, as far as I can tell.”
Kellison said it would be “unlikely” either of the men are released on bond until at least Monday, when they are scheduled to make first appearances in front of a judge at 2 p.m.
According to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, Jackson has no arrest history in Colorado. Harris, however, was charged by Broomfield police in October 2004 with driving under the influence of alcohol, speeding and reckless driving.
University spokesman Bronson Hilliard said neither player graduated from CU. He said Jackson last was enrolled in classes in fall 2007, and Harris was last enrolled in spring 2008.
CU-Boulder Chancellor Bud Peterson on Saturday called the allegations “both troubling and disappointing.”
Athletic Director Mike Bohn and head football coach Dan Hawkins also said they were disappointed.
“If these allegations are proven true, the entire University of Colorado community, as well as our society, will neither accept nor tolerate this behavior,” Hawkins said.
University officials have had to contend with at least five other football players who have had run-ins with the law during just the past six months.
On Jan. 19, CU police ticketed Kai Maiava, a sophomore fullback, for underage possession and consumption of alcohol.
Nate Vaiomounga, a sophomore outside linebacker, was charged the same night with criminal mischief under $500 on suspicion that he broke a window in the residence hall. He also was charged with underage possession and consumption of alcohol during a separate incident on Feb. 16.
Riar Geer, a first-string tight end for the Buffs, is accused of assaulting two 19-year-old men outside a party at 18th and Cascade streets in March.
Freshman linebacker Lynn Katoa also was arrested in March, on suspicion that he assaulted another student at an off-campus party Feb. 16.
Jake Duren, a junior linebacker, was kicked off the team in April following an arrest for allegedly smashing a car window.
A group of CU students gathered Saturday near an apartment where the reported June 5 robbery occurred said they were shocked to hear about the arrest of two more athletes. Some said they hope the incident doesn’t reflect poorly on the CU football program, and one man noted the story is “the buzz of the town.”
Police are asking anyone with information about the alleged robbery or similar incidents on University Hill to contact Detective Kurt Foster at 303-441-3330. To remain anonymous and possibly be eligible for a cash reward, contact Boulder County Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477) or www.crimeshurt.com.
Camera sports writer Kyle Ringo contributed to this report.
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Posted by bufffan8 on June 21, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"an unusual conclusion to what has been a peculiar career for one of the best pure athletes CU has on its roster." - the understatement of the year. What are these guys thinking.
Posted by SnowBuff on June 21, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
uuhhhh hes not on our roster. Anyways, does this put us in the Fulmer cup lead or is it disqualified due to the fact that they were former players?
Posted by rswright on June 21, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Doesn't matter what the police say, everyone knows they are prejudiced against football players. Come on posters, these defendants are "innocent until proven guilty". And if they made a mistake, they are just kids and kids will be kids. Have a little perspective, it's really just a lack of self control. No one condones what they did, but that is why Boulder has community service. If the victims protest tell them to forget it and get on with their lives. Duren, Geer, Katoa,Sipili and now two more. Won't the Boulder police ever stop picking on football players?
Posted by JohnCronin on June 21, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This reminds me of a joke my great friend Geoff Barrett told me during that year. He said, and I quote, "Jackson seems dumb enough to go rob a place." This was after an interception. Kudos, Geoffy.
Posted by davelax40 on June 21, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the quote about Jackson's career was from a story reporting his ineligibility several months ago.
Knowing Jackson's situation with his child, I was afraid something like this might happen after he stopped playing football. The medical bills must be pretty expensive. That's not an excuse for doing this (if he's proven guilty), though.
I spent a lot of time with the football team a few years ago for work (2005-2006), including Bernard Jackson. I never met Lionel Harris. Bernard seemed like a really nice and intelligent guy. Obviously he has some issues with judgment, but I honestly think this whole situation has a lot to do with circumstance. Too bad things didn't work out for him with football. Financially, I think football was going to be his answer to the problems that have come his way. When that fell apart, this happened.
Posted by mewag28 on June 21, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
with BJ's raw talent you would think he could make some decent money playing in Canada or Europe.
If he only had the sense to study more he could have been a good slash for CU last year and maybe had a shot at the NFL, or certainly Canada, etc.
But then if he had any sense he would not have done what he is accused of, assuming he did it that is.
Posted by Ralphie2 on June 21, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What are these people thinking?!?!?!
Posted by rswright on June 21, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To quote Neill: 4/17/08.
" The Buffs' recent spate of finding their names in the newspaper for something other than their football exploits stems from bad decisions, not bad actors.
These situations aren't robberies, guns, sex assaults or drugs."
Sorry, Neill, that is exactly what they are.
Posted by JAWS on June 22, 2008 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RS - buy tickets!!! Join Rivals!!! Donate to the Golden Buffalo Schollarship Fund!! Do something - even buy $12.00 'Tennis Season Tickets" I'm sure you'll be the deciding difference with your abundant contributions... Both of these players have not 'actively' played for 2 years - Go play in traffic.
Posted by extrapoint on June 22, 2008 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry gentlemen
it looks like its time for tennis to pull the plug on football.
Posted by TallyBuff on June 22, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yo, that's not a photo of Jackson. Come on DC, get the photo correct!
Posted by buff75 on June 22, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WHHHHHAAAATTTT?
Come on guys you don't help yourselves or the status of the players, team and students on campus. Bernard you have a kid, or maybe that's the reason this happened (needed money,etc.), Crazy just crazy!!!
Posted by KyleRingo on June 22, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Greetings all. TallyBuff, it is a photo of Jackson. Jaws, both players were on scholarship throughout the past school year and Lionel Harris absolutely did play last season. Jackson would have played if not for his academic problems.
Just wanted to address those two issues.
Posted by rswright on June 22, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Our posters decide which crimes they like (assault, Sipili,Geer and Katoa) and which they don't like (robbery,Jackson and criminal trespass (Duren). Am sure Camera readers would like to know who on the team they should root for and who to throw under the bus. Are the rules written down somewhere or do these preferences come naturally? We need to know before the next series of arrests.
Posted by extrapoint on June 22, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rs wright is a hard core fundamentalist.
black and white
This is easier for him. His lack of grey matter wont allow him to understand a different shades of grey.
For anyone new here to his tirades, he had thrown the whole team under a bus a long time ago....before Sipili.
His phony outrage at these crimes is simply a case of his perception of tennis scorned in favor of football
Posted by JAWS on June 22, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kyle - my bad. Harris did play last year, I stand corrected - my point about Jackson was not his schollarship status, though my post did seem to indicate that, it was meant more to address the fact that he did not play this past season. I know that although these guys were either on schollarship or active players or both, they are in fact no longer part of the team and had they been I am sure that Hawk would have dismissed or suspended them as he has done with the other players who have gotten themselves in to legal touble - main point being these two were off of Hawk's 'leash' and the team should not be persecuted even more than they already have been (perhaps fairly, although neither Geer nor Katoa have been found guilty) because of the alleged actions of FORMER players. Regardless, it is a shame that 2 more young men were given the chance to get a grteat education and go on to bigger and better things, and now they may have jeopardized themselves - sad story.
Posted by extrapoint on June 22, 2008 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
thank you too flabuff
for mentioning it takes 2 to fight, not just one footbsll player, as it is on some people's planets.
Most everyone here has been in fights before. If we came out on the short end, we took our lumps and moved on, understanding that we were an equal part of the issue.
If a couple of guys duking it out were crimes on the level of armed robbery, rswright might be the only male(?) still walking around unincarcerated.
We would have to build enough prisons to hold a hundred million.
This is impossible for people like rswright to understand because they have never done anything wrong yet the whole world is out to get 'em.
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Regardless of all the details, it should be made clear that these are FORMER players with no current association to the team or the University.
Flak is deserved for current players finding trouble but when you are no longer in the program or even in school you cannot indict the program for the player's current troubles.
I feel sorry for THEM and am angry at THEM for making a bad decision that will cost THEM dearly in life. This has nothing to do with football
Posted by BuffNut99 on June 23, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you archalon, I agree. These guys had a great opportunity to play football and get an education and their choices landed them where they are now. But they were beyond the help of the school and the football program, taking their first steps in the real world on their own after college.
I was hoping Bernard would have landed in the Arena league or Canadian football, he could have done well I think.
Posted by FormerBuff on June 23, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
QUESTION FOR THE MEDIA,
Is it possible to do a nice big article on one of the many former buffs doing great things for themselves and the community? WE are the majority yet you rarely see anything about positive influences in media involving former CU Buffs. It is not because we aren't out there, I can asure you that.
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
YES - agree with FormerBuff. Run some highlight articles about the wonderful things former players are doing - make it monthly or weekly feature.
Posted by rswright on June 23, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The field day is not with the poor defendants or their victims. The field day is with our posters who want to explain the differences between crimes they like and don't like. Under the bus with Duren and Jackson, but if it's an assault it's ok. There isn't any difference. If assaults are ok, ask Sipili how he likes his life. Ask him how he feels about having a criminal record, being sued and causing a kid to have three plates in his head and a possible life long brain injury. This is trajic, not a football player standing up for truth, justice and the American way. And don't tell me who was at fault, because it doesn't matter who was at fault.
Arch: don't try to protect CU. We all know what you think of CU.
Flabuff: We went through all your arguments before with the last series of arrests, i.e. no convictions,innocent until proven guilty, etc. That is the reason our posters don't go there any more. Know what it says above Norlin?
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RS is asinine and irrelevant. But I'll indulge his stupidity one last time. Here are your differences:
1. Jackson and Harris were no longer on the team or in school - their actions are stupid and sad, but not a reflection of the program
2. Duren was a multiple offender who was out of chances to redeem himself
3. Sipili did something stupid and paid the price with a lost season and is continuing to own up to his actions.
4. Geer situation is unresolved and may be a case of defending himself and other factors that you and no one else knows the details of. He is given the benefit of the doubt until it is cleared in court
5. Katoa is a first time offender that sounds as if he will recieve stiff punishment regardless of whether he was reacting to was a racialy motivated attack.
So what exactly is your flippin point ? Dont presume to think you know anything about my support or thoughts of the university of the football program. You have no credibilty as poster here and your anti-football agenda is pathetically transparent to all here.
I support whatever punishment is given to those that break the law. I also hope that young men can own up to their actions and become better citizens after they are penalized for their transgressions.
What more do you want, other than to recite your tired manipulations of others words in defense of your hidden agenda to trash the program ?
Posted by extrapoint on June 23, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Know what it says above Norlin?
gee rs, that is hilarious coming from you
You dont even know jack, let alone your generation. you wont even donate to tennis. You are about as isolated as you can get.
Your fundamentalist attitude is about as foriegn to education as you can get. You must be one of the most miserable people I know. Do you have false teeth to grind yet?
Posted by rswright on June 23, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No one here says shut down the program. Nor do these posts trash the program. The only thing trashed is the foolish comments by posters who can't see that the main point is that both are crimes of violence consistent with a history of violence by football players at CU.It would be better to admit the truth than make distinctions that are not valid differences. If you avoid the truth, you lose all credibility. The program is worthwhile only your defense of it isn't.
"Dont presume to think you know anything about my support or thoughts of the university of the football program."
But we do know, from your own words, how low your opinion is of CU. Typical of our fans, love football, don't like CU.
Posted by extrapoint on June 23, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
of course it is
he just admitted this whole thing is personal. It is him against the rest of the world. Just like it says above Norlin(heavy sarcasm)
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He takes that from two comments that I have made:
first, that I dont care about the intracices of athletic department funding becuase, unlike him, I admit that I am not an expert on such matters and trust that those who study it, are put in a position to manage it, and actually know what they are talking about can do a better job at making decisions than buffoons like RS.
and second,
A comment that I made about the entire University structure of the United States as a bloated and wasteful enterprise of misappropriated funds. He wants to get all riled up about AD funding but doesnt want to admit there are other problems within a system that cares increasingly more about corporate tie-ins and the business aspect of what they peddle as 'education'.
Neither comment was an indictment of a particulr university, athletic department or sport. But as we all know, RS only hear's what he wants to hear.
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As RS points out, "...consistent with a history of violence by football players at CU."
Lets be clear then: its also consistent with a history of violence by universty students,people between the ages of 16-25, males and is not consistent with matters of race or athletic ability.
So basically, if you are under thrity and have a twig and berries, regardless of being on an athletic team, you might at some point have a pre-disposition to some sort of stupidity\aggressive\violence induced behavior.
That would rule out RS, as his testosterone level is more in line with that of the tennis team, and the female one at that.
Posted by rswright on June 23, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A perfect example of trying to distract by an inept analogy. CU needs more fans and ticket sales. Try to convince them football is worth it by saying violence is "also consistent with a history of violence by universty students...". You can count on our posters to dig in deep and get it wrong at every opportunity.
Posted by archalon on June 23, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
inept analogy ? Merely pointing out your selective criticism. The hypocrisy in your world is mind blowing.
As a former collegiate athlete and veteran of 13 years in the academic institutions of this country, unlike you, I am intimately aware of the dynamics of student athletes. I lived it, you read about it in newspaper articles and cry "the sky is falling" at ever police blotter report that implicates football players. The percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is no higher than that of the general student population, you just dont see the accurate numbers because incidents are publicized.
Crawl back in your hole, chicken little. On behalf of student athletes past and present, I am comfortable in saying that we'd rather not have 'fans' like you.
Posted by rodrigo on June 23, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anybody out there agree with rs?
Anyone? I'm still waiting - have been for the better part of two, three months now - to find a single poster who understands let alone agrees with anything the guy says.
Seriously. Anyone? One single soul? Even part way?
Anybody?
Posted by bufffan8 on June 23, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe now that Wimbledon has started rs will be distracted for a while and stop posting.
Posted by rodrigo on June 23, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I ask my question seriously. I don't post it intending a rip on rs.
I'm genuinely interested in knowing if anyone agrees with - or can clearly and succintly articulate - rs's point.
Posted by JimmytheBuffalo on June 23, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In light of what these fellows did, I hate to bring this up, but...
STILLWATER, Okla. (AP)—Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew pleaded guilty on Monday to a reduced charge for allegedly attacking a police officer in January.
Payne County prosecutors originally charged Pettigrew with felony assault and battery on a police officer, but they reached a plea agreement with Pettigrew in which he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery.
He must pay a $200 fine and make a $200 contribution to the victims’ compensation fund, as well as perform 20 hours of community service, which he has already completed at the YMCA, defense attorney William Baker said in court.
Pettigrew, from Tyler, Texas, also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor public intoxication in the incident and was fined $100.
He received a deferred sentence and won’t have a criminal record if he successfully completes probation. Coach Mike Gundy declined to suspend Pettigrew, saying in February that he would allow the case to run its course.
So...OSU athletes get a free pass for beating up police officers, and ours get suspended for a year for protecting themselves and/or friends in a fight with joe citizen. What am I missing??
Posted by extrapoint on June 23, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sic rs on 'em
unfortunately he really doesnt care. He has some hidden agenda/vendetta just like tall.
Golf is also supposedly a favorite of rswright's. There has been an article posted about a CU golfer winning a tournament for a couple of days now. I didnt notice any "attaboy's" coming from rs' corner.
Posted by rswright on June 24, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"The percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is no higher than that of the general student population..."
Of course, no stats to back it up. What did you think of CU paying 2.3 million to two girls who alleged they were raped by engineering students at a computer seminar?
Posted by archalon on June 25, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What do you think of sticking your head under water long enough to save us your stupidity ?
Crime stats by school
CU - Boulder
Violent crime 18
Murder\manslaugh 0
Robbery 4
Forcible rape 4
Robbery Aggravated assault 10
Property crime 668
Burglary 107
Larceny-theft 536
Motor vehicle theft 25
Arson 20
Stats are for the most recent year made public, 2005. To me, that looks like 1392 documented crimes for the general population in Boulder.
How many for the football team that year, RS ??
Posted by archalon on June 25, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
C'mon RS. Im waiting.......how are you going to twist this one ? Left, right,?
The suspense is killing us.
Posted by rswright on June 25, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You claimed "The percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is no higher than that of the general student population".
You cited the number of crimes for the student population but you didn't state the number of crimes for football players. Until you do, no one can tell that "the percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is no higher than that of the general student population."
So you haven't proven anything. Another brilliant post.
Second, these can't be the true stats because there is not one alcohol related offense. (you mean no one got cited for alcohol in 2005). This is not the CU we all know. Also cite your source.
Finally, speaking of 2005 wasn't that the year of the famous football recruitment party rapes. I know they technically don't count because they were recruits and there were no convictions, but rape is still a crime. Did you count it?
Posted by extrapoint on June 25, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I finally figured it out
rs is eithr the brother or father of that drunken condom passing hypocritical slluuutt.
and by his braindead fundamentalist logic the rape that never happened was a crime.
rs' existence on this planet is a crime
Posted by archalon on June 26, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ah ha - always something with RS. Thanks for taking the bait - I was waiting for you to make yourself look stupid before posting the origin of data.
Data is published by the FBI as Offenses Known to Law Enforcement by State,University and College, 2005. It is gathered from all university/college law enforcement agencies submitting 12 months of complete offense data for 2005 under the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program.
For questions as to why alcohol related offenses arent listed, contact the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division via e-mail at cjis_comm@leo.gov or by telephone at (304) 625-4995.
Oh, and since you think you know it all, YOU cite the number of football player related crimes that year. Im sure its common knowledge - I did the homework on your engineering students, you do the homework on my football players.
Posted by bufffan8 on June 26, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rs - the alleged rape happened in 2000. Looks to me like the fine upstanding non football playing CU students were responsible for 4 rapes in '05. Wonder if they all had the same major? If so we should have that major's dean fired - he/she clearly can't control his/her students.
nice work arch
Posted by extrapoint on June 26, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder if the tennis player at NC State who was busted for sucking off his sleeping room mate was related to rs. All tennis players are alike anyway, you know.
Posted by shoulder2shoulder on June 26, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RS- where are you???????????????????????
Posted by archalon on June 27, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Is it possible we finally shut him up ?
Posted by rswright on June 28, 2008 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You claimed "The percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is no higher than that of the general student population".
You claimed the number of student crimes was 1392 for 2005. With 30,000 students that works out to one crime for every 21.55 students.
Since January 2008 we have had 5 arrests for criminal behavior. (Maiava, Valomounga, Katoa,Geer and Duren) Given 100 football players that is 1 arrest for every 20 players. Double it for the entire year it is 10 arrests for 100 players or one crime for every 10 players. That is about double that of the general student population. Therefore, you are wrong to say the percentage of criminal behavior amongst football players is not higher than that of the general student population.
Now if you want to add the three other arrests the ratio gets worse. Thank for the figures and confirming them with a source.
Posted by rswright on June 28, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
EP: "I finally figured it out".
No,you haven't and you never will.
Posted by archalon on June 30, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It took you 2 days to come up with that response ? As you pointed out the first time, no alcohol related statistics are reported to numbers I cited, and in in your words, "that isnt the CU we know". Im sure if you did some homework and found all the Minor in Possessions (Maiava) and alcohol related pranks (Vaimounga)not in the numbers posted there are a few thousand more student incidents to factor in and two football cases you drop from your projection.
Besides, you are selctively comparing 2005 numbers with 2008 numbers for the team. How many arrests were there in 2005 of football players in criminal cases ? Compare apples to apples and answer the question without trying to endlessly split hairs on the issue.
Posted by rswright on July 1, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You came up with the 2005 figures.
If they don't work that is your fault.
Posted by archalon on July 3, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Its not about them not working, they were the most recent available from the source quoted. Im fine with the numbers.
You failed to use comparable 2005 football team numbers, instead selectively choosing 2008 figures to project your position favorably.
It is far too obvious that you failed basic logic and reasoning in whatever paltry education you received. If 2008 numbers were available, Id gladly compare them to yours. But as it is, you cant or choose not to provide the comparable data for the year cited.
How is that my fault ?