Posted by mgmtgrad on August 23, 2008 at 2:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey rswrong,

What was it you that was saying a couple of weeks ago about only ten people showing up to CU football games?

When you put as much energy into marketing and promoting CU tennis as you do talking smack against the football program, then you will deserve your say in the matter.

Plain and simple, if you’re unhappy about the quality of the tennis program, then get off your butt and do something positive about it. I called you out a couple of weeks ago regarding that if tennis could even bring in the same revenue as football does for one game, $200,000 for an average national televised game. Then you could have something to build on, but you responded to everyone’s post but mine.

Plain and simple take your passion for tennis and put it to go use. Help build the program, bring in players that go pro and develop a following that will pay to see games, whether on TV or at the gate. Any televised exposure for tennis, even on public access would be a step in the right direction.

I’m a Buff fan plain and simple and would be proud of a successful tennis program. I’d love to see all of CU sports do well, but CU is an academic school first and has decided where it spends it athletic budget. And since football is the only revenue generating sport, they get the first and largest piece of the pie.

You want better facilities, then get off your butt and help the program raise from it ashes, then you would be the Phoenix of the program, instead of a school yard kid that you’ve been sounding like.

After all Bohn stated the following:

"We remain most appreciative of the support and ever-increasing following behind the entire program," Bohn said. "We realize what kind of difference that support makes in every aspect of the athletic department."

How can you logically argue with that?

What have you’ve done to help the program you’re so passion about?

Marcus J

Posted by montanabuff on August 23, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This story is great news, and it helps to demonstrate the overall positive attitude surrounding CU athletics. It speaks well for Bohn and Hawkins that there is this much confidence in the future.

There could have just as easily been this lead in:

"Coming off of two straight losing seasons for the first time in over twenty years, ticket sales continue to lag at Colorado. Fans are staying away, citing fears that the Buffs' difficult schedule will result in another losing campaign ..."

Keep up the good work, gentlemen!

http://www.cuatthegame.com

Posted by rswright on August 23, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No it wasn't. Get your facts straight.
Nor has there ever been anything here against the football program. Asking the football program to give up it's extras i.e. Hawk's new potty, so the other sports can have the basics is not anti football. It is a realization that there are other 15 sports at CU. Give football every nickel it needs to succeed but not a nickel more. I.E. does the team really need flat screen tv's.

Re Tennis: Don't you know CU doesn't have a men's tennis team? How can you raise money for a team that doesn't exist? Bohn killed it to pay for football's deficits. Learn a little CU history. The AD killed 7 sports in 1980 to pay for football deficits. Again in 05 there was another football deficit of 8 million dollars. Why was there a deficit? Because you loyal fans failed to renew your season tickets because of Barnett and allaged rapes by football recruits. You threw the program under the bus and walked away. You let student tuition and the other sports pay your football deficits. Now, still owing the 8 million, you crow about an increase in ticket sales.When the increase in ticket sales is enough to pay back the 8 million then crow.

If you read the papers all over the nation student sports are being cut (AZ state just eliminated another student sport; San Diego State eliminated it's nationally ranked mens volleyball team) because the expenses of football increase every year (i.e. can you believe 4 million dollar coaches). The Universities, not just CU,depend on football (as the main revenue producing sport) to pay for itself and all the other sports when often it can't even pay for itself. Last year was the first year in decades that CU had a balanced athtletic Dept. budget. Why because football is the only income producing sport and you fans and alums don't support the program comensurate with the income CU needs it to produce. CU expects football to pay for itself and all the other sports, and when it does then crow about an increase in ticket sales. But first, pay back the 8 million.

Posted by rswright on August 23, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...I called you out a couple of weeks ago regarding that if tennis could even bring in the same revenue as football does for one game, $200,000 for an average national televised game..."

The reason you got no reply is that the statement is as ridiculous. Why ridiculous? Because no one
one expects the non revenue sports, that is 14 sports at CU, to bring in a nickel. These sports are for students. On the other hand football is primarily for fans and alums not for students. CU provides football and spends millions because it is supposed to be the the moneymaker. Spend all the money necessary so football can make money but
when the other sports don't have the basics,i.e. no place to play home matches, the minimum of number of sports required by the NCAA and no indoor practice facility for outdoor sports during Boulder winters, then flat screen tv's, new offices for B and Hawk are wasteful. An that ain't anti football. But to say the other sports don't deserve the basics because they don't bring in 200,000 a game is ridiculous.

Posted by mgmtgrad on August 23, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rswrong, I knew you were going to bring up that they don't have a tennis team which is why I included the following statement above.

“You want better facilities, then get off your butt and help the program raise from it ashes, then you would be the Phoenix of the program, instead of a school yard kid that you’ve been sounding like.”

As for your last paragraph there are two reasons for the elimination of other sports while coach’s salaries in football have gone up. One is title 9 and second is the television money that college football attracts.

Like it or not the NFL has replaced baseball as America's favorite past time and college football has benefited from this and has become a big business. At the bigger football schools 90,000 people show up for the games, plus large television audiences’ tune into the games.

No other college sport can say that, the closes being basketball, not even baseball. That’s just the evolution of sports in America, so you are blaming your woes on hundreds of thousands of Americans making their choice.

As for the deficit spending; those happen during a couple of years that the program was down. But after investing in the program, last year it had a surplus from television and ticket revenue and as the program continues its success there will be more surpluses to go around, just as the article above is proving.

So, as I said above, you want tennis back with better facilities, then do some thing about it other then complaining on the football boards. It starts with people as passionate as you are doing something positive for their cause, not blaming others. Get involved with the intramurals and build the program back up. You’ve got a lot of work to do if you’re up to the challenge, but just complaining on these boards is making you sound like a school yard kid.

Be a leader if so passionate about it.

Marcus J

Posted by mgmtgrad on August 23, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way the excess spending in football you are complaining about, TVs and a bathroom wouldn’t even pay for another sports coaches' salary, let alone facilities.

But if basketball can grow to a revenue generating sport along with the increase in football revenue, then there will be more money for other sports.

And where is Bohn spending money, the second most income generating sport in college athletics. The others will grow as those two succeed it just takes some time.

You’re taking all of this too personal and as I said be a leader and get involved in the sport you seem to love so much. Lead fund raising and help build the team up from its ashes.

You can shine or complain it’s up to you.

Marcus J

Posted by bzainthemd on August 23, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Marcus,
You can't win arguments with people who are so a$$ backwards that you can't speak intelligently to them. That's why it's just better to ignore morons like rswrong and tall and all those other idiots. They clog our message boards with their nonsense instead of talking about things that we Buff fans really care about. We've been having these same conversations with rswrong for well over a year now and he has convinced not a soul that he is right. So, ignore him. He'll go away. Our boards are better than this.

Posted by reallifeshocker on August 23, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i was a scholarship basketball athelete a a d-1 urban school, that had a "full-plate" of teams in the pre-90's. the decision was made to drop the nearly 100-year old football program. they did not draw well, and were seemingly on the wane, at least at that time. this was done to concentrate on basketball and enhance the "non-revenue" sports. what we've seen, despite all the projections, is that without football on campus, all of our sports have faltered and suffered, as well as our standing in recruiting top-notch high schoolers to our otherwise attractive campus.

Posted by mgmtgrad on August 23, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, AND CU is investing in basketball facilities, who else benefits from the B-Ball improvements? Women’s Volley Ball. Example of the athletic department improving in it's commitments to other programs.

Here is good news rs, Tennis will be back, it will take some work, but it will be back.

It’s OK.
.
Marcus J

Posted by archalon on August 23, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why did you have to go and poke the caged badger with a stick, mgmtgrad ?

Its like me saying " hey RS, so you what do think of the fact Hawk has a 72" flat screen in his office ?" - and I disagree with his views more than most.

Posted by bzainthemd on August 23, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Exactly archalon,
As I have said, if we don't provoke these idiots and don't entice them to come on our boards and argue ridiculous points, we won't waste our time on these boards arguing with people who want nothing more than to focus our attention on them. I know, I am an offending party, but I'm sick of it. I have enticed rs before, and man, it is not worth your time to get into a pissing match with him. He has no common sense. So, ignore what they say, and they'll go away.

And yes, I'm glad to see our program on the rise and see our football program help CU athletics as a whole. I can't wait until coach Bzdelik brings up our b-ball program, which is a much more daunting task than what Hawkins is facing. When we get our big sports back on track, all sports will benefit. We just need to keep on supporting them. I can't wait till next Sunday! GO BUFFS!

Posted by rswright on August 23, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MGM says:
"As for the deficit spending; those happen during a couple of years that the program was down. But after investing in the program, last year it had a surplus from television and ticket revenue and as the program continues its success there will be more surpluses to go around, just as the article above is proving."
Fine, "last year it had a surplus from television and ticket revenue".
Just pay back the 8 million and you won't hear another thing. Or maybe just 4 million. How about 1 million? Still waiting. (I know it's just easier to let the kids pay for your fun).

MGM: "The others will grow as those two succeed it just takes some time."..." Here is good news rs, Tennis will be back, it will take some work, but it will be back."

Wrong twice. Baseball, wrestling and hockey disappeared 27 years ago. Have you been to a CU baseball game lately? Don't kid yourself,once a sport is gone it never returns. Any excess funds will be used to pay for football. The AD is like the squirrel in the wheel. If he succeeds it only costs more next year.

MGM: "TVs and a bathroom wouldn’t even pay for another sports coaches' salary, let alone facilities."
It takes approx. 300,000 to run most non revenue sports for a year. A lot less than Hawk and B's new potties, refurbished locker rooms and the flat screen tv's. (B was smart enough to demand new facilities as part of the deal). And let's not start on the luxury box seats at 3.3 million a year while they sat empty. 3.3 million is enough to pay for baseball, hockey, tennis and wrestling for years but you fans wanted a nice place to sit while you have a cocktail, then you didn't buy them. No money wasted there, right.
Finally, the only facilities we are talking about is some plumbing and electricity. How much could that cost? A lot less than the flat screen tv's.

MGM: You say raise money for tennis.
When the demise of tennis was announced in March of 05, the tennis alumni raised 600,000 in less than six weeks (in pledges)which would have kept tennis for 2 years. It's not a matter that money cannot be raised for the non revenue sports. The AD turned it down. If you want to know why ask him.

Arch: Love it. A guy who didn't go to CU, and doesn't care about CU but tells those who went to CU how CU should be run. Way to go Arch. Your opinion really counts.

Hi, Doc Weasel aka brain. Learned a little did you, pookie? Yes, the students do pay for your football doc, something you didn't know before. But you are just a rookie. Do a little studying about CU athletics. It helps. And pookie, believe me, personal attacks are no substitute for facts.

Posted by rodrigo on August 23, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CU has a tennis team? Who knew?

Posted by bzainthemd on August 23, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So anyway, it is great to see our tickets sales going up. That's what spending on football gives. Bohn knows it and has said it repeatedly. The more we can improve our facilities to keep up with the rest of the Big XII, that gets us recruits such as the past recruiting class, and that's what makes people excited about CU football again. No doubt, the end of the GB reign brought doubt about our program and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. But this a new era and Hawk is doing things right, and it's paying dividends for the athletic department as a whole. There's no doubting that.

Posted by oz_in_cali on August 23, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doc Zain has it right (as opposed to wright which = wrong), as like me he has attempted to have an intelligent discussion with rs to no avail. The guy is as obtuse as a rock.

With one week left until "Silence of the Rams", it's time we ignore the fools until it's time to watch them choke on their hateraide, and focus on what's important...The Buffs!!!

Posted by homeontherange on August 24, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You have to invest your money where it does the most good for the university. My opinion is that you need to invest in the football program to make it more attractive to customers, ie.fans,tv. In order to suceed you first must make it attractive to recruits and to good top level coaches. At that point the recruits come to the program and the program begins to suceed on the field, which in turn generates revenue. You must continue to invest in the football program heavily, but as things progress you are then able to shore up other programs (think Basketball improvements and Track and field improvements recently). Eventually even the most boring and least watched (Tennis) athletic programs will enjoy the benefits of having a strong football program. All of the other athletic programs currently enjoy athletic scholarships supported by the football program. Give it time RS! Eventually everybody will have a good piece of the pie!

Posted by rodrigo on August 24, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I say we all chip in and get the tennis program the potties rs believes they need then give him eternal credit by putting his name on them.

How about The RSWright S**t Shack?

Posted by archalon on August 24, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hahaha - same old RS attacks, eventhough Im not participating in the argument

Let caged badgers lie

Posted by rswright on August 25, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Rodrigo, Arch and Doc Weasel.

Hope Hawk produces with a tough schedule but if he doesn't, you loyal fans, who are now so supportive, will be screaming for Hawk's head. I.e. "good coach but the Big 12 is not the WAC". Hawk will go, Mike will take the blame and move on. Sound familiar.

This is just football, and no one could care less, except for the fact that you loyal fans will desert (sound familiar) and leave the students to pay for your football fun, just like you did in 05, both in their tuition and their sports. It must be nice to know there are always the students and their tuition to pay when you don't.

It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with Oz who just ignores the fact that football owes CU 8 million dollars caused by football deficits. Or maybe, Oz, you know more,
and these facts are wrong. Tell us, Oz, who says he wants an intelligent conversation that these are all lies and are not true. Come on Oz, here is your chance to have an intelligent discussion.
Prediction: just like Doc Weasel who also makes statements without facts, Oz will weasel. He will resort to personal attacks, like Rod, Arch, EP and Doc Weasel,. Come on Oz, still waiting.

"(think Basketball improvements and Track and field improvements recently)."

B contracted for those improvements, it came with his deal. Second, track and field improvements were only because the Big 12 threatened to cancel the Big 12 Championships in Boulder because the facilities were so bad. These improvementw were done because Mike had to not because there was a surplus.


Oz says "...focus on what's important...The Buffs!!!
Yes, focus on the Buffs, all 15 sports, not just one. Ever hear of Jenny Baringer, a true Buff. (and without a police record).

Posted by rswright on August 25, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Home: No one has ever said anything other than football needs to succeed and it needs money to do it. No one disputes that. But it doesn't follow that everyone will get a piece of the pie. Student sports all over the country are being eliminated at schools with profitable football programs because football needs more and more money each year. Ask Mike where are surplus went? It certainly didn't go to upgrade the golf facilities,there aren't any.

P.S. bring up OU athletic site to see their new golf center.

Posted by Rswright on August 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm an idiot.

Posted by rswright on August 25, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you really think our posters are so dense they can't see that rswright is not Rswright? But on the other hand, personal innuendos saves from having to answer questions about why the students pay so you can enjoy CU football. Still waiting Oz.

Posted by rswright on August 26, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Still waiting Oz.

Posted by bzainthemd on August 26, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rs,
Nobody weasels out of anything...ignoring you is not weaseling. It's called spending my time on more important things than arguing with someone who can't understand logic.

Anyone, just read his posts above and you will see that he does not understand how college athletics and football programs work. He just likes to argue like he does. rs, YOU are the ultimate weasel.

Posted by rswright on August 26, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doc Weasel,

You earned your name by weaseling. I told you students paid for football and rather than come up with facts showing it wasn't true you weasled. You weasled because you had no facts to rebut so you resorted to idiot, moron. As said before personal attacks are no subsitute for facts.

And stop waiting for someone to answer for you.
The reason you don't hear any opposition (besides name calling) is that our fans know it's true. (notice how OZ ducked). They don't like that they let students pay for their football but not enough that they won't throw the program under the bus again if Hawk doesn't win. Just like 05, deja vu all over again.
So ignore the facts all you want but when you look at the end zone its those out of state students
whose parents are paying so you can yell "Go Buffs".

Posted by bzainthemd on August 27, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rs,
You are the only one who calls me weasel. I can care less what you think. See, everyone else has names for you. So, is everyone else wrong, or are are you just delusional? Hmmm...

I'm not having anyone answer for me. I don't have to argue with you. You spit out statements like they are fact when you have proven NOTHING. Then, when people say you are wrong, you tell THEM to prove it. No, YOU PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT. You haven't so far, as nobody in the past year has agreed with anything you have said.

You are WRONG on so many levels, its impossible to discuss things with you. YOU have never explained how OUR students pay for football. NEVER. Just saying that we have a deficit and our tuition is high is not proof. It is coincidence. Guess what. CU tuition is high for every campus out of state, and I'm sure it has nothing to do with football. The reason I didn't go to CU for med school was because it has the highest out of state tuition than any school in the country. I did not want to take out loans for hundreds of thousands. Now, is CU's med school tuition high to pay for the Boulder campus's football program? NO.

Nobody knows what you are saying is true. Nobody can stand talking with someone so short sighted. Dude, this is a message board. It's not life. If people don't answer it is not because they "ducked". Again, that is a leap of reasoning and probably not true. It is either they are sick of you, you are not worth their time, they are ignoring you (which I should be doing), or they don't check message boards that are days old. Oz I'm sure didn't "duck". He probably moved on...just like you should. You can call me whatever you'd like. It doesn't bother me. But notice, nobody else feels I "earned" that name. So...how did you earn the name RSWRONG???

Posted by bzainthemd on August 27, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And rswrong...for the record, I'm not ducking you if you write something back...I'm done with this thread and moving on...like someone else should do too.

Posted by rswright on August 27, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"YOU have never explained how OUR students pay for football."

You are a rookie so here are the facts:

Coloradan Sept. 2006

"The board of regents agreed to have the university loan $8 million to the athletic department to help it recover from deficits which have been building over the last five years.
The deficits resulted from a decrease of 6,000 in football season ticket holders, paying off fired coach Gary Barnett's contract, buying out coach Dan Hawkin's contract at Boise State,debt payments on the Folsom Field expansion and over estimates in ticket sales and donations.
CU will also forgive an additional $2 million in debt due 2007. This is partly due to an increase in liability insurance costs following lawsuits over the alleged football recruiting scandal. Athletic Director Mike Bohn notes that 86 percent of Division 1A programs run at a deficit."

83% of CU's Budget comes from out of state tuition, 11% comes from instate tuition and the balance from the State of Colorado. When the Regents loan football 8 million dollars, where do you think the money comes from? There ain't nobody else here but the students. Without them you wouldn't have Hawk, your luxury box seats for alums and fans and still have Barnett. Conclusion; the students are paying for your football.

Live and learn, rookie.

Posted by bzainthemd on August 27, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay,
Now we see who the real "rookie" is. And by the way, do you think calling me a "rookie" means anything. Rookie at what?

So, I'm going to reply to this once and tell you why you are RSWRONG.

YOU, make a leap of faith once again. You make the assertion that our football deficit is paid off exlusively by student tuition, and fail to realize that the athletic department has means of revenue outside of student tuition and a separate budget. Yes, we all know that CU has a high out of state tuition. But that tuition is not high to pay for football. It is to pay for the STATE's lack of public funding for its Universities...Rookie leap of faith #1.

#2...you fail to realize that our athletic departement has revenue outside of tuition. That is revenue such as TV contracts, NIKE contracts, ticket sales, luxery boxes, boosters, etc...Just because bad decisions were made in the past does not mean that student tuition is going to pay for it. Investing in CU money making sports help, plus all of the above money making revenue sources pay for football. You just make a leap of reasoning without taking everything in. Show me one credible source that says that student tuition is paying for football. YOU CAN'T. One does not directly lead to another, as you try to argue. Tuition is high because of lack of public funding...TRUTH.

Now, the biggest "rookie" mistake you make is saying that football is for the alums. It is for everyone in the state. If you don't think it is for the students, why don't you go to Invesco this weekend and ask the students if they think the team is for them. I guarantee you that they will say it is for them. Yes, we alumni take pride in our school. We should. And while the students get cheap season tickets, as they should, my donations and paying $100/ticket make it so our students can get cheap season tickets.

You are RSWRONG on all accounts. Why are you so high on tennis? Were you on the team? Did something happen to you personally? You are a rookie if you think seeing pictures of two other campuses' tennis courts proves that ours are inferior. That holds no statistical value. With how many D1 schools, you give 2 examples? As I said, the day you go sample the other school's in person, maybe you'd get some credibility. But you haven't, so you have no reason to talk. You are a "rookie".

That is it. I'm done with you. Let's see you weasel out of this. If I'm wrong, why is nobody calling me out. They call you RSWRONG for a reason, and I agree. You are out of touch.

I said I was done before, and yes, I broke my own rule. But not anymore. You will never convince me you are right. I doubt you will ever convince anyone that you are right. That's why you are RSWRONG.

Later.

Posted by rswright on August 27, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is it about the work "deficit" that you don't understand?
The Coloradan said there was an 8 million dollar deficit in the Athletic Department. This means that after your outside sources of revenue such as "revenue such as TV contracts, NIKE contracts, ticket sales, luxery boxes, boosters, etc.." are totaled the Athletic Department owed 8 million more than it took in. That is what is meant by deficit. (I can tell you aren't in private practice). So there was no money to pay the deficit so CU "lent" the AD 8 million dollars.

You are a rookie because had you read this Coloradan article and the history of CU Athletics in the archive section of the Camera by Kyle Ringo you wouldn't be saying things like
you "fail to realize that the athletic department has means of revenue outside of student tuition and a separate budget". There were no "revenue outside of student tuition" to pay the deficit. That is why the AD borrowed 8 million from the University, knucklehead.

But getting tired of explaining things, so try doing some reading yourself. And try working on your spelling. Being a doctor is no excuse for bad spelling i.e. luxery.

Posted by bzainthemd on August 28, 2008 at 5:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude,
I'm typing fast while trying to get stuff done. Don't need to spell check things for you. You fail to realize that those were stats from a few years ago. We have a surplus now and things are getting paid off. You should do some homework. Plus, you still haven't explained how our students pay for football. Stating that there is a deficit and then saying tuition is high is not proof. Use your head. Get a life.

Posted by rswright on August 28, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well some progress at last. At least you now understand what a deficit is and so you have given up saying the money for the deficit doesn't come from tuition because the AD has outside sources of revenue.

Next? You say "Plus, you still haven't explained how our students pay for football". The Regents have one primary source of funds, tuition. Of CU's budget only 4% comes from the State of Colorado. (do some homework).The rest of the budget is from students, mainly out of state students. So when the Regents lend the AD 8 million dollars it comes from tuition. CU is not alone. Rutgers is using tuition given to it for student's education for football. (if you have been reading the NY Times)

Next? "We have a surplus now and things are getting paid off".
Another statement made without facts. If things are getting paid off, tell us, how much has been paid off? Don't make statements for which you have no facts and then weasel out again, Doc Weasel. The truth is the debt has not been paid off. The first year the Hank Brown made a payment from a special fund. The AD still owes approx.8 million. (do your homework). So, students pay for your football because the "loan" paid for Hawk's contract and the luxury seats for you fans. You say you pay $100/seat so you are sitting in the luxury seats paid for by the students. Remember they are paying for it when you take your comfortable seat with a drink and look over and see the students on those nice benches in the end zone,next to the band.

Students also pay for the football deficit in that it was the football deficit which caused Mike to eliminate student sports. CU's salaries for non revenue coaches are the lowest in the Big 12. (do some homework). After reading that the football deficits are paid for by the students, both in cash and in lack of student sports, tell me how you don't see anything wrong with flat screen tv's, Hawk and B's new potties. Football should get the extras AFTER the students (who are doing the paying for these extras) have the basics.

And don't tell others to do their homework when this info. is available online.

P.S. Try learning how to spell so you wouldn't need spell check.

Posted by bzainthemd on August 28, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RSWRONG,
I always knew there was a deficit. I never said CU coaches weren't some of the most underpaid. Next, because the Regents loaned the AD money, that is the AD's deficit. Not the Regents. It is complicated accounting. If student money was paying off this deficit as you state, why do you also state that not much progress was made? BECAUSE STUDENT TUITION IS NOT PAYING FOR FOOTBALL. You proved yourself wrong.

Also, all student seating is in the endzone and near the corners at most universities. And I know, I have been to multiple stadiums in multiple conferences. And all those schools have luxury boxes too. Students didn't pay for their boxes...having a succesful program did. Why do you think almost every single major stadium and arena in sports have these luxury boxes? Why do you think the Sonics are leaving Seattle? Why did the Colts just get a new stadium. Because luxury boxees are major money makers. These changes were needed at Folsom to help the program and AD.

And no. I will never see anything wrong with the flat screen tv's and new potties as you say. Those frills get us the recruits and hype to build this, the only money making sport at CU, program up. It is trickle down economics in college sports. CU is not alone in spending on it's premier sport. Almost every university does this. Do your homework. We need to build this program back up to national prominence to correct past mistakes and bad decisions. Do your homework, multiple articles on this site state how making our football team better makes every sport at CU better.

You can call me names and rag on my spelling on an online message boards. I type fast when it doesn't matter and don't proof read this because nobody except for you is petty enough to rag on people's spelling. I am very secure in my abilities. This isn't a professional document. It is a fan message board. Plus, I'd rather mispell a word here and there than use backwards logic and biased opinions to make everyone on a board make fun of me.

Why are you so against our football program? You have never answered that. Why are you on our football message boards? And why haven't you given money to support your beloved tennis team?

Posted by bzainthemd on August 28, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW...I'll CU on another thread. I'm really done with this one.

Posted by rswright on August 29, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doc. If you went to CU you should have a concern for the students rather than yourself and your love for football. Try getting involved with CU in other ways than just buying a football ticket. Volunteer for various alumni groups. This way you will have a little more feeling for CU than just memories and a football ticket.

And to answer your question. Never has any post here been anti the football program. These posts only remind our posters (who don't want to hear it) that CU is not a football franchise. This ain't the Broncos. The University is about students and there are just as many students who play the non revenue sports as play football. Their student tuition is paying for football's extras when they are not getting the basics.
(you can rationalize any expenditure on football, the real question is does the expenditure directly improve the team's performance. How many wins do flat screen tv's buy?)

You say "It is trickle down economics in college sports". The trickle down theory works as well for college football as it does for the national economy. It is merely an excuse for spending more money on those that already have it. If you look at Mike's history he only spends money on the non revenue sports when he has to. (Pott's field).

These are not opinions that you have to weasel from because they unsupported statements. These statements are facts. I know you don't like to hear them but they are true. At least you have gotten an education, albeit the hard way. So next time you take a seat in your luxury box look across at the end zone and who is paying for it.