Posted by dcbuffs on April 26, 2008 at 5:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't forget Richard Rokos and his staff from the Ski Team! Give that man an A+ for the hardware he and his student athletes have brought home.

Posted by rswright on April 26, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Woelk:
"Facilities have been improved across the board,..."

Woelk hasn't done his job. Across the board means all sports including tennis and if you haven't been out to the South Campus Tennis Complex you are in for a real treat. It sits in the middle of an abandoned quarry with no plumbing nor any shelter since it was opened 5 years ago. You get to share the little green house with the team and the competition. (a nice cold draft greets your backside along with the chemical smells). The winds blow through and from the dirt roads you get dust storms. When it is cold the football players can go inside their
nice little bubble but there is no shelter at the South Campus Tennis Complex. In short, the place is not fit for competition, let alone spectating or recruiting. Can you imagine recruiting for football by telling the prospects they have to use the little green house for the next four years?
Since Mike arrived 3 years ago, there has not been one improvement at the Complex. Neill is wrong or simply being what we have learned to expect,that is, Cheerleader Neill. Next, where is the golf facility?
As the only money making sports football and basketball are intended by CU to pay for themselves and all the other sports. Neill reported an 11 million dollar profit from football. So when will the tennis and golf facilities be improved?
The conclusion that "Facilities have been improved across the board,..." is simply contrary to the facts.

Posted by UeberBuff on April 26, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Get rid of tennis. Bring wrestling back! There are many more athletes in this state that wrestle than play tennis. Wrestling is a sport with a high rate of participation for Hispanics, rural and inner-city youth--kids who CU needs to recruit to increase its diversity. Don't spend the money on improving tennis facilities. Bring back wrestling. Besides women's wrestling is growing like a wildfire,so it is becoming increasing more Title IX friendly.

Posted by CUBuff2000 on April 26, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hockey is the sport that CU needs to bring to varsity level. Cold weather sport, cold weather state. It's something we could excel at. I know the CECC would need some improvements to make that happen, but that right there should be reason enough to bring hockey to CU!

Posted by JAWS on April 26, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rswright - maybe what he means is that the facilities for REVENUE GENERATING SPORTS, of which there are 3 at the NCAA level, Mens and Women's Basketball, and Football - without 'improving' those facilities you get nothin' - no good athletes, no good coaches = no fans = no TV no money. THINK!!!!!!!!! Without your precious Title IX protection, you'd still be chasing that fuzzy ball around on courts built 25+ years ago. I'm all for equal rights, but if you look at HOW MUCH $ the sports that generate the revenue bring in, relative to how much is left for them... they are getting screwed.

Posted by nolanjp on April 26, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

get rid of tennis, don't bring wrestling back, and get a baseball team. half the time these days nebraska's baseball team is stocked with denver players, and the huskers are always good. the talent is in denver to have a great baseball program.

Posted by bzainthemd on April 26, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seriously,
I say get rid of rswright. We've been listening to his poor tennis story for way too long and he uses this opporutunity every time this subject comes up to blast the University, this newspaper, and pretty much everyone else who reads these articles. Rs, if you want to improve tennis so bad, DONATE. Create your grassroots movement and get tennis donors to pitch in some money. That's what the big 3 sports are doing, and they are using those profits to pay for things like tennis. I know I'm getting real tired reading messages from this guy. Same old song.

And I agree nolanjp, baseball would be a great addition. The state is ripe with talent that defects to other schools and could be really popular.

Posted by extrapoint on April 26, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bingo
I second the hockey idea. Hockey is a sport that the students will fill the seats. TV cant come close to capturing the true action.
Dont believe me? go down to DU for a home game. Add CU to the DU, CC mix and hold on.

Tennis and golf? Head over to the country club. there are plenty of them in the Denver/Boulder area....and just like bzainthemd said, the country clubs are also full of sugar daddies who could easily donate some money to improve CU's facilities.
rswright - what do you do for a living? Put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by 20buff on April 26, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on nolanjp:

I second your motion to bring back baseball. You are exactly right about the Denver Metro area baseball players who go play for the Huskers, and they have a salty team, thanks in part to Colorado players. I also think that women's softball could be loaded with Colorado talent. Problem is, travel would be expensive, and weather here is rough on baseball. Unfortunately, Bohn must look at implementation costs.

Posted by archalon on April 26, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hockey and Baseball - DUMB that CU doesnt have a baseball team.

Someone slap rswright out of his tennis whining.

P.S. - Can we get some of the many NFL guys we've helped along to donate to the school ? Id say other sports too, but Billups is the only basketball player I can think off who's made it. Even if they just repaid their scholarship dollars as a donation, we could use it.

Posted by rodrigo on April 26, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anything but tennis. Who, other than rs, gives a crap?

I thought not.

Posted by UeberBuff on April 26, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love wrestling, baseball, and hockey. The number of youth and high school participants is highest in baseball with wrestling not far behind. Both are great for the recruitment of Colorado kids from all demographic groups from rural, suburban, and inner-city communities. Hockey, though it is highly appealing for spectators, draws from a very limited group of Colorado kids. I believe that only 25 of 375 Colorado high schools have hockey teams. Those schools are much more likely to be in districts with higher income averages than the norm in Colorado. I think all three sports would be great and preferable over tennis and golf. But I think that wrestling and baseball should have priority over hockey. If for no other reason than the fact that these sports would offer may thousands of Colorado kids a chance to go to CU that otherwise would not be able to afford it. And let's face it, a CU hockey team would recruit heavily from the upper Midwest, the Northeast, and Canada--like CC.

Posted by extrapoint on April 27, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Because only a couple dozen high schools have hockey, there is a highly developed association network affiliated with the amatuer organization USA hockey that exists in Colorado. Even towns as small as Kremling now have youth hockey programs.
The truth is, thousands of kids in Colorado do play hockey.....and I know for a fact there are many times as many kids playing hockey as there are wrestling. DU, especially, has found some real stars here. Do your homework before you come here with a tired old stereotype.
Wrestling, of course, doesnt need the expensive facilities as we already have a gym but it doesnt draw many spectators either. Hockey is a sport like football that will draw many more students into the stands than wrestling and involve the entire campus.
I prefer hockey over baseball as well. You can stay awake watching a hockey game but its kinda unamerican to argue agaisnt baseball.

Posted by rswright on April 27, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Baseball, hockey and wrestling, CU used to have all those sports you long for. In 1980 CU eliminated them and then cut it's contribution to the AD so he can't afford them. CU should have a full slate of sports a D1 school is supposed to have.Cal has 27 sports and CU has 15. Nebraska has over 20. Check other Universities. Rather than criticizing those who are in favor of CU having a full slate of sports answer the question; why doesn't CU have a full slate of sports rather than the minimum necessary to be eligible for a bowl game?

Neill's article said that, across the board, the facilities have improved. (he didn't say just football or basketball). Tired of hearing about how bad the tennis facilities are? Go see a home golf match. Their facility is non existent.

Posted by rswright on April 27, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The question to ask yourselves is;why does CU reduce it's contribution to the AD to 4% of the AD's budget?

Posted by extrapoint on April 27, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Golf and tennis?
hmmmmmmm
I say we get us one of those Scottish hurling teams, or maybe dig into that tax money for a stable of camels for racing.
Better yet, Barney has been sharpening up on his bridge down in Scottsdale. He could come back as CU's bridge coach and lead us to the national championship.

Posted by rodrigo on April 27, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again... anyone other than rs give a rat's ass about tennis?

Anyone?

Going once?

Twice?

Posted by extrapoint on April 27, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Evidently all those moneybags over at the country club dont either.....at least at CU.
casting pearls before swine?
(you can thank me anytime rs)

Posted by rswright on April 27, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All this whining because CU has a golf and tennis team. Yes, sorry to say, the NCAA requires 15 sports from a D1 school. I know it disappoints our posters that CU has any other sport than football but there it is. Get used to it.
On the other hand if there were just enough of you to result in CU football doing its job as it does at Nebraska we would have hockey, baseball and wrestling. But as we all know, there aren't. Proof? Hawk says, you only come to the game when the better teams play. Until there are enough of you that football shows a profit from sales of tickets and not TV stop whining about golf and tennis and try getting CU to give more money to the AD so CU can have a full slate of sports for its students.

P.S. When your knees get so bad (as they will)that you are the slowest guy up the stairs at Folsom, the next stop is the golf course.

Posted by UeberBuff on April 28, 2008 at 12:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm glad participation in hockey is growing in Colorado, but to say that there are "many times as many kids playing hockey as there are wrestling" is ridiculous. Extrapoint, if you call me out then at least put forth a good case. I presented a fact about the number of high schools which have hockey teams. You countered with anecdotal information that is clearly exaggerated. Nearly every school and community in the state has wrestling programs, not just Front Range and mountain schools. Well over ten thousand kids in Colorado wrestle from November to April in our state. And the high school state championships routinely fills Pepsi Center. That is more than 18,000 fans! I thought you said wrestling doesn't draw fans. Check the facts. Anyway, I like hockey and I agree with the above postings that CU needs to increase its AD budget for a full slate of sports. I would love to watch CC, DU, and CU play hockey. That could be great. We have a good hockey club team too.

Posted by walto_clown on April 28, 2008 at 3 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't typically agree with RS on these boards, but in this case he's right--at least on the surface.

Point one: If the tennis facilities are as bad as RS says they are, than Neill is incorrect. CU hasn't improved facilities across the board.

Point two (this one's mine--but it has been implied in previous RS posts): College athletics don't exist simply to please the fans. They serve as a community outreach program that permits student athletes to gain scholarships (or not) and enjoy the benefit of competition during their time in school. The fact that some of us enjoy some of the sports (particularly football, as is my case, and many others that post here) only contributes to the overall program, but isn't necessarily the entire point.

Funding the sports we enjoy watching as fans is only a small part of the equation. At the end of the day, we should value our student athletes on reasonably equal footing, regardless of the event.

And yes, RS, I agree, a robust athletic department should have more programs than the D1 minimum. We should support a fairly complete slate.

A point on which RS and I tend to disagree is the role of football on getting this whole department back on track. Is football the revenue generating sport it's cut out to be, or is it at best self-supporting?

When the program is healthy it has enormous potential to generate net gains in ticket sales, TV contracts and perhaps most importantly private donations. If it's not happening yet (we'll see if that 11 million exists, and if it does, we'll see if it trickles down) it should soon.

I don't believe any of our other sports has the capacity to support the entire department the way football does. The question remains, when will the program be in a position to start supporting the others?

RS, I see two options.

One option is to give AD Bohn and Coach Hawkins enough time to turn football into a revenue-generating sport that can support the rest of the department. This plan means we must necessarily prioritize the one sport (football) and trust AD Bohn to push the revenue--when it arrives--to the others.

The second option is to restructure the funding of the entire department and make a genuine effort to place all student athletes on equal footing.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is hilarious rswright is accusing someone else of whining about tennis and golf.

As far as tennis goes, he still hasnt answered a the question of why wealthy alumini over at the country club wont even buy the team urinal deoderizers.

As far as golf goes, you can forget that sport on campus forever. Golf needs a square mile of land and a ton of precious water resources in order for just a handful of students to compete.

When my knees give out, I'll go fishing and enjoy that water in it's natural state.

As for studnet competition in either of these sports, read UeberBuffs post above.

Posted by rodrigo on April 28, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to have no opinion about tennis. Then rs started whining. And never stopped. Now I hate tennis. Any sport but tennis. Rhythmic gymnastics, water polo... I'd even write a check to support cheerleading as a sport if it meant no more tennis.

Posted by tallisall on April 28, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another few years and the football program may be back up to 7-6 and the big 12 north title.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ours or the huksters?

Posted by tallisall on April 28, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think with Bo Pelini on board fixing the defense the Huskers will win 8 or 9 games this season.

Callahan sucked as a coach but was an excellent recruiter. They have players.

Posted by rswright on April 28, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By its actions CU has made it's choice clear. Football is supposed to pay for itself and every other sport as well, indicated by the fact that CU contributes only 4 million out of a 40 million dollar budget. It is a mistaken choice because as the costs of football have increased 87% of Athletic departments nationwide go into debt. In turn the AD either eliminates or cuts back student sports.
CU provides football basically for fans and alums on the hope they will support it as CU intends but they don't. As everyone at CU knows there are not enough CU fans and they desert if there is a scandal or the team is not winning. Even Hawk has admitted as much.
Mike is dynamic and there is always hope that the team will draw but more likely he will succeed in part. But as the costs of football increase he will keep running and running to keep up until he drops and goes elsewhere.

The solution is obvious. If you want a
a viable and robust athletic department CU has to fund the entire department and stop spending or relying on football to fund it. Like 87% of schools across the nation it ain't gonna happen.

P.S. As for our posters they seem to be smarting from their unfortunate previous posts. But they really suffer from the fact that they are more interested in football than CU. They criticize those who support a full slate of sports for students at CU forgetting that the the University is comprised of students not fans or alums. With no thought about the overall best interests of CU, their posts are like the buzzing of flies in your ear.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bzzz bzzz
"the solution is obvious"
bzzzzz bzzzz
It is to spend more money on sports no one gives a crapp about
bzzzz bzzzz
I am delusional
bzzzz bzz
about the importance of my place in the universe
bzzz bzzz
let alone the Camera's post board

all bzzzzing aside. There is nothing wrong with a "full slate of sports" anyone gives a crapp about

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok
so in order for the corn cobbs to win 9 games they have to win, along with all the other games on their schedule, 3 more out of the following:
VT, MO, KS, OK, West Mich and of course, Colorado.

Not so sure I like those odds.

Posted by tallisall on April 28, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think they can excepting Oklahoma and Missouri.

They had a very good offense last season and I believe Pelini will have a much improved defense on the field.

Callahan had a phone book for a play book but I guess the defense was drawing it up in the dirt.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They have to open with Western Michigan which is probably the toughest of their first 3 opening eclairs.
Put that together with the hukster's habit of taking the first day of the season off......
I hope it is on TV.

As for last year's D coordinater, I imagine the FBI is trying to find him

Posted by choderlos1741 on April 28, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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There, thats rswrights next few posts.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll bet rswright wears his sweaters with the sleeves tied around his neck.
bzz bzzz

Posted by tallisall on April 28, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tallyho, tennis anyone?

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dang
when you think about it
rswright, by being an obnoxious dweeb, has probably drummed up more PR for tennis than all the other country cub "Biffs" combined.

If Obama wins the election we will have to change rs to Jeremiah

Posted by Seattle_Buff on April 28, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill Callahan: "The most brilliant football coach to ever give up seventy points to Kansas."

Posted by bzainthemd on April 28, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bottom line rswright,
You have no clue how most of us feel. I live in Virginia and bleed Gold and Black. I watch ALL sports that I can on TV when televised. I fly to games, go to away games and bowl games, and donate to the university. Of course most of us want football to succeed. Ask any Husker, Longhorn, Trojan, LSU Tiger, Aggie, etc...etc...They take pride in their football programs too. But I think all of us want ALL sports at CU to succeed, even your precious tennis.

The problem is how YOU propose we get there. If we give all the money to programs that don't produce any, we go broke. If we invest in money generators, all CU sports win. That's what we all want. Do you really think that other big time or even Big XII school pour money into tennis or soccer? I doubt it.

And please stop criticizing CU fans. You can take one Hawk quote and spin it any way you want. We all understand CU is in a different situation than most Big XII schools. We are the only, with the exception in some circumstances Kansas, school in a major metro area with pro sports going on all the time. Plus, CU has a big out of state student body. I'm sorry I can't go to every game. I would if I could and aspire to when my career allows me to. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Bottom line, stop talking about things that you know NOTHING about. If you want tennis to get more money, DONATE and get your grassroots effort going. Put your money and your efforts where your big mouth are.

Posted by extrapoint on April 28, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will take a little pressure of the wrightman and purchase the first box of urinal cakes

Posted by Seattle_Buff on April 29, 2008 at 1:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Turn the "picking on" to the dork with the 20+ usernames. talldrTomwhosyournannywhoever

At lease rs has some beef other then Cody being an inch too short, or Dan being a totally awesome coach...

like those three dots?... DrTom...

I live outta state and contribute funds. I also only care about football. Sorry.

Oh man, Nebraska is really gonna suck this year with that head coach getting tossed into the fire...

It's hot. So hot!

DrTom, bring back a response I dare you on that one.

What will we EVER do with that QB that is a total LEADER (something the Huskers don't have) that is an inch or so shorter than what you think qualifies as something worthy?

Huskers will never come back, because Lincoln is wack, and there's nothing going on there nowadays.

Times have changed and there's nothing you can do about it.

Leadership isn't measured in height. He's plenty tall enough to make plays and lead the offense to trample all over your patch-work-pattern defense you call the "blackshirts".

Oh man! Keep trolling on the CU BUFFS message boards.

CU BUFFS RULE Tallisall DORK. Get over it.

The more you post on here, the more you prove the obvious point:

You are obsessed with how awesome our entire program is.

Keep it coming you jealous fool!

Beat it Kook!

Posted by Seattle_Buff on April 29, 2008 at 1:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Turn the "picking on" to the dork with the 20+ usernames. talldrTomwhosyournannywhoever

At lease rs has some beef other then Cody being an inch too short, or Dan being a totally awesome coach...

like those three dots?... DrTom...

I live outta state and contribute funds. I also only care about football. Sorry.

Oh man, Nebraska is really gonna suck this year with that head coach getting tossed into the fire...

It's hot. So hot!

DrTom, bring back a response I dare you on that one.

What will we EVER do with that QB that is a total LEADER (something the Huskers don't have) that is an inch or so shorter than what you think qualifies as something worthy?

Huskers will never come back, because Lincoln is wack, and there's nothing going on there nowadays.

Lincoln is done, SON!

Times have changed and there's nothing you can do about it.

Leadership isn't measured in height. He's plenty tall enough to make plays and lead the offense to trample all over your patch-work-pattern defense you call the "blackshirts".

Oh man! Keep trolling on the CU BUFFS message boards.

CU BUFFS RULE Tallisall DORK. Get over it.

The more you post on here, the more you prove the obvious point:

You are obsessed with how awesome our entire program is.

Keep it coming you jealous fool!

Beat it Kook!

Posted by tallisall on April 29, 2008 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He calls me "obsessive"??

Take a valium dude...

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, everyone has an opinion, and frankly, tall, you do obsess. Not as much as Daddy, but let's not go there...

That said, I humbly disagree with Seattle: tall's just yankin' our collective chain and doing a pretty good job of it. In the end, I think he's just having some fun and actually, at times, has been willing to admit to the error of his ways. Seems like to him this all just another way to engage with the wider world, talk some smack about college football (it is a game, after all) and entertain himself. I'm cool with that.

rs, on the other hand, is a humorless crank. While he has a legitimate bee up his butt in some respects, he's either too blinded by his bitterness (I think he's the type of guy Obama was talking about) or frankly just too simpleminded to realize that all the time and effort he's devoted to badgering a handful of simple fans amounts to the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

Maybe we should take a poll? Who is the single most annoying regular poster on the buffzone:

1) rswright
2) tallisall
3) rodrigo
4) dr. tom et al
5) other (please feel free to write in your candidate)

Posted by bouldabuff on April 29, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr. Tom is the worst. rswright and tall are annoying but at least they are consistent. Having said that -- bring back Dr. Tom!!!

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

leave it to rod to provide the ultimate insult. No question tall is yanking our chain. But as such, and inspite of his rejection of Seattle above, I imagine he is feeling completely dejected at being No. 2 on your list.
Mission not quite accomplished

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So you're saying I'm the most annoying poster?

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm just pisssed my knee jerk homer butt wasnt on the list

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if annoying is the only catagory considered rs wright may have a lock on first place.
For my money, the looniest, most childish, overcompensating and insecure visitor to this site was a corn poisoned poster named avi8ter.

Incredibly, I think he referred to himself as a "mental health professional"

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Didn't we determine homer was one of dr. tom's multiple personalities?

Come to think of it, my vote for the most annoying goes to he who posts under the lame name, theo'reallyfactor. Anybody who actually attempts to type the sound of laughter is simply trying too hard.

Posted by tallisall on April 29, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seattle_Buff has got to be in contention also.

His Dr. Tom imitation wasn't very good.

Posted by Seattle_Buff on April 29, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry. I had some cocktails last night and was feeling cocky.

You're still a kook DrTom.

Posted by tallisall on April 29, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's ok Seattle..

Always remember, love him or hate him, there is only one DrTom....

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yawn
another overcompensator
as rod said, you are trying way too hard.
here is a little hint
try a girlfriend somtime as a temporary substitute for your bigredism. A little less desperation goes a long ways

Posted by archalon on April 29, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Having spent 4 years in Lincoln as an ambassador of the black and gold and all things from the Land of Milk & Honey (Colorado), Big Red Delusional is proof that things never change. They were just as stupid in corn country 15 years ago as he sounds today.

I've always tempered criticism with the fact that there just isnt anything else in that state for them to be proud of except the huskers.

"unquestionably better" academics is a joke - UNL was easier to get into than either cross town NAIA Wesleyan or CSU, home of Colorado dumb kids.

Both the "national title" and "consider us a rival but we dont consider you one" claims are soooo tired.

Facts about UNL: the campus is a dump, all you have heard about the cheating\crime of the Dr. Tom years is a FRACTION of what really went on there, the academics are average at best,the athletics are average, no one fears Husker football, and you are a LONG way from even sniffing a national title.

The only thing you are likely to get out of a Nebraska education is a STD. There are at least 7 other Big XII schools better to attend than UNL.

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whaddaya mean there is nothing to be proud of in Nebraska? Havent you been to the Valentino's buffet?
also
I guess it stands to reason why the big "O" went into politics.

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now THAT'S funny...

Lincoln the most beautiful city in America! Ivy League status? The Harvard of the midwest?

HOLY... I'm speechless... Who is this knucklehead?

Posted by BuffTime on April 29, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Apparently someone has been drinking too much ethanol lately. Dude, just because there is corn in it doesn't mean you should consume it.

Also, if the "Big Red Machine" is so universally powerful, how come the first Cornheads recruited were in the 5th round? I thought it was only the coach that sucked and that Nebraska was really loaded with talent?

We'll see who makes it to the top 10 faster.

Posted by tallisall on April 29, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't know about a national championship but I'll be we'll see a much improved, harder playing NU team than we've seen in the last 4 seasons.

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, it wouldn't be too hard, now would it?

Posted by rswright on April 29, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bzainthemd

"You have no clue how most of us feel. "

Assuming you are an alum, it really doesn't matter how you or any other alum feels. Why? CU is about its students. For alums and fans CU provides football. Bleed black and gold as we all do but there are 13 other sports not made for you but for the students. When EP says no one cares about the non revenue sports he speaks for himself and those who believe CU is all about football not the hundreds of students who attend the University and compete in those sports and for whom CU does not provide a full slate of sports.

When football starts to impede on the students because it is not supported sufficiently by fans and alums for whom it is provided that is important.
4 million to pay Barnett,3.3 a year for luxury box seats and another million for Hawk total an 8 million dollar football deficit. Where do you think the money to pay this deficit came from? Tuition. You say stop criticizing football fans. Do you think football fans for whom CU provides football and who leave it up to the students to pay for football deficits, should be above criticism?
Do you think it right for students to pay for football when the fans and alums for whom football is provided,don't?
Students from the non revenue sports appeared in front of the Regents begging them not to cut back or eliminate student sports. Compare them to fans and alums who Hawk says only come to games when the better teams play. (This was not my criticism it is a direct quote from Hawk). Anyone who attends the games knows that Mike papers the house. Spending more money on football in the hope more fans will attend is a pipe dream. CU has a history of fickle fans.(Try 04).

You ask for a solution. CU should fund all the sports and stop relying
on football in the mistaken belief it will pay for itself and all the other sports. It doesn't at 87% of the schools nationwide and there is no reason to think it will at CU.
Then finally, Neill says "facilities have improved across the board". He says sports at CU are on a solid footing. If one were to let these comments go by, living in Virginia, you would never know that is not the truth.

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

doo dee doo doo, doo dee doo doo
(theme from twilight zone)

Are we stuck in groundhog day?
Why couldnt groundhog day be the one when Gina was standing at my front door in a top coat and negligee?

First bigredweenie and now bigwindcommie

Dang it rodrigo
this is all your fault.

Posted by bzainthemd on April 29, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rswright,
I am an alum from '98. When I was there, Folsom Field was packed at every game, no matter who we played. In the era of scandals earlier this decade, fans, and students may have had other interests and may have been down on the program. I know most alums I know weren't. So what? That doesn't seem to be the case anymore and I'm glad you can recite one quote multiple times. If I didn't have better things to do, I'd go find quotes to refute you, but it's not worth my time.

Now, I have never been to a game for free as an alum. In fact, what I pay for tickets to one game is more than what I paid for season tickets as a student. What alums and fans aren't paying? Where are all these tennis players and other sports players complaining? I haven't seen it or heard about it, except from you, MULTIPLE times. Frankly, until I hear it from them, I won't care. I never knew you were a credible source from the beginning.

And again, you are WAY off on how division one sports work. It's not worth discussing with you anymore. All I know is that you've brought this up multiple times over the past year and I have yet to see one person agree with you.

On another note, we should all ignore BigRedSchmuck. If the only thing he can claim about Fuskerland are things said all the time about CU, we all can clearly see how pathetic things are in Lincoln.

Posted by rodrigo on April 29, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just trying to keep rs and the little red faithful off the streets... where they might hurt someone.

Posted by extrapoint on April 29, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agreed
better here where they can choke themselves to death on their own phlegm

Posted by rswright on April 29, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bzainthemd:

"I haven't seen it or heard about it, except from you,..."

Read the post following post by walto_clown. It couldn't be said better.

"Point one: If the tennis facilities are as bad as RS says they are, than Neill is incorrect. CU hasn't improved facilities across the board.

Point two (this one's mine--but it has been implied in previous RS posts): College athletics don't exist simply to please the fans. They serve as a community outreach program that permits student athletes to gain scholarships (or not) and enjoy the benefit of competition during their time in school. The fact that some of us enjoy some of the sports (particularly football, as is my case, and many others that post here) only contributes to the overall program, but isn't necessarily the entire point.

Funding the sports we enjoy watching as fans is only a small part of the equation. At the end of the day, we should value our student athletes on reasonably equal footing, regardless of the event.

And yes, RS, I agree, a robust athletic department should have more programs than the D1 minimum. We should support a fairly complete slate."

Apparently, these facts are shared by others.

bzainthemd then states regarding the scandals:

"That doesn't seem to be the case anymore"
Fact: Five arrests of CU football players since January and CU leads the internet poll on arrests.

bzainthemd then states;

"you are WAY off on how division one sports work". FACT: D1 schools operate under NCAA rules. NCAA rules state 15 varsity sports are required of a D1 school to be eligible to compete in a bowl game. Rather than being way off, NCAA rules state exactly how D1 sports work.

Your post was taken seriously and you got facts. Hopefully, you will
appreciate there is another side to the story.

Posted by bzainthemd on April 30, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rs...
I'm personally done reading your garbage. You seem to make a blind jump to equate those who understand that funding money making sports helps to better the university and all university athletics to those who don't care about the students and other sports. Again, you can't be further from the truth.

Also, I completely agree with walto_clown and most of his points. I agree that we should aim to better all sports programs and better the university. Notice, nobody ripped him.

He said "IF the tennis facilities are as bad as RS says they are...", not they ARE as bad as RS says they are. Again, I have yet to hear about how bad they are except from you. Nothing is said about this on this website (besides by you), multiple other CU websites, publications, etc...YOU are the only one complaining about it. You seem very good at taking other people's quotes out of context and trying to make an argument with them.

And rs, 5 arrests since January isn't the same as a sex scandal involving recruits. I'm shocked you even went there. And no, CU is not leading the nation in arrests. You have your facts wrong again.

As I said, I'm done reading your garbage posts. You have tried multiple times to make the same boring argument that we spend way too much money on football at the expense of tennis. NOBODY is buying it. Live with it.

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hallelujah. On all fronts, bzain...

Posted by rswright on April 30, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Facts clearly seem to make no impression on you. 8 million dollars in debt because of football. As Mike said, this deficit caused him to cut back or eliminate student sports. In 1980, another football deficit caused (by Fairbanks) the AD to eliminate baseball, hockey and wrestling along with 4 other sports.
Now these facts indicate that rather than football paying of itself and all the other sports it actually causes CU to go into debt and precludes the robust athletic program CU needs and should have.

Now if these facts are untrue prove it. But if you can't, then admit they are the truth. But don't call the facts garbage just because you you don't like them.

P.S. If you don't believe these posts on the condition of the tennis and golf facilities, then call the AD and arrange to attend a home golf match or better still visit South Campus yourself on your next visit. (use the john before you go).

P.S.S. Five arrests, including two for violent felonies don't seem to rate very high on your scandal list these days. However for the ticket buying public and for a a program that struggles for fans they do. And if we aren't first in the nation in arrests, tell us, where does CU stand?

You dropped your comments 1.that no one else shares these feelings after reading the post by Walto and 2. about not knowing how D1 sports work. Did you look up the NCAA rules? Did you get an education?

Posted by tallisall on April 30, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Only 4 months to football season.

My prediction

North:

MU
NU
KU
CU
KSU
ISU

South:
OU
UT
TT
T A&M
OSU
Baylor...

OU big 12 Champs.

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not that that will stop rs, though. I invision him at home as I type, holding an imaginary debate with "Mike" (Gee, rs, didn't know you guys were on a first-name basis: How does he refer to you?)

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hard to see the Huskers #2 in the North with five conference losses.

I wonder how many points a nasty Tech offense will paste on Bo's pink shirts in Lubbock one week after Missouri lights up Lincoln. 70, anyone?

Posted by tallisall on April 30, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wasn't Bo the Defensive Coordinator for the National Champs?

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yep, but unless he brought LSU's players along, he's got a long row to hoe given the roster in Lincoln. I agree the Huskers will be better, but the best players from what was a miserable corn d are gone. Ouch. Even Bo knows he's gonna have to wait two, three years to replenish the cupboard.

Posted by tallisall on April 30, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're probaby right, Maybe I should have put them 3rd or 4th.

How about

MU
KU
CU
NU

Posted by bouldabuff on April 30, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Baylor has a better chance of winning the south then the Huskers have at finishing second in the north.

OU may win the south but they should be feeling lucky the Buffs are not on the schedule this year.
I bet OU loses by 20 to Cincinnati in the second week. Hey Tall - OU sucks!!

Posted by tallisall on April 30, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Boulda,

OU is a fine football team.

7 national championships..

5 Big 12 Championships..

41 total Conference Titles.

Whether you love them or hate them, they are a top program.

Posted by LAbuffAlum on April 30, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RSwright pick a paper up Mizzou leads the nation in arrests this year.

Also your 8 million dollar shortfall number was for the AD as a whole in 2006, please use current facts. The most recent number is a Surplus of 2 million which is going to partially repay the 8mm loan the AD took out a few years ago.

Bohn also recently committed to spending money on several non-revenue sports including Track and Field and Women's soccer.

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ooooh... rs hates it when someone else's facts disagree with his own. You're in for it now, LA.

Posted by bouldabuff on April 30, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those national titles must have come in seasons when they did not play CU. Bob Stoops is as bad as Kelvin Sampson - he just pays the right people to get away with it. They are a bunch of damn cheaters in Norman with their tall, statuesque signal callers.

Posted by bouldabuff on April 30, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall - can you confirm?

I heard from an extremely reliable source that Sam "walkingstick" Bradford is starring in his own drag rendition of Oklahoma! in Vienna this summer. Guess it was just a matter of time before he started showing off those long dancer's legs. Obviously a distinct advantage to having a tall quarterback.

Posted by tallisall on April 30, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bradford's also listed 3rd as a pre-season favorite to win the Heisman trophy..

What is Cody listed?

Posted by bouldabuff on April 30, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He's a dancer and a Heisman hopeful? Wow, a double threat guy. I'm impressed.

Posted by bzainthemd on April 30, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rswright,
1. YOU don't have your facts straight. FACT. I don't need to prove it as everyone else already has.

2. The facts you have are OLD news. FACT.

3. I'll let Walto speak for himself, but I don't interpret what he said as him agreeing that CU should stop spending money on football.

What he was saying, and I agree with, is that the sports are for the students and the university as a whole and we should improve our athletics across the board.

Once again, what I disagree with YOU about is how we should get there. You are a broken record man. Have you been to tennis and golf programs across the country to make your assessment of how bad our facilities are? What is your sampling size? And you still haven't found one person who is complaining about the tennis facilities besides yourself.

And finally, I wouldn't go comparing your education background with mine. I will bury you every which way possible, guaranteed. FACT

Posted by bouldabuff on April 30, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My sources tell me that Phil Loadholt's summer job is even better than Bradford's. Apparently he will be playing the love-child of Jabba the Hut and Della Reese in a low budget Star Wars spinoff.

Loadholt was quoted as saying, "At least I ain't gon be in Vienna with Sam" - Uh oh Tall, sounds like Bradford's left tackle is not supportive of his lifestyle. Can you say blindside sack lunch? Crabcakes and football Tall.

Posted by extrapoint on April 30, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm calling the NCAA
Used car and weapon sales are one thing
but these bisexual OU boosters are out of control!

Posted by extrapoint on April 30, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tall's south prediction is stale.
It is kinda hard to argue with OU on top, but I see a mild shakeup with Tech and the Aggies finishing ahead of UT. This could be Mac's last year inspite of the new wildman in charge of the D.

Posted by rswright on April 30, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LA:

"Rswright pick a paper up Mizzou leads the nation in arrests this year."
Sorry, how close to number one are we? We were first last week.

"please use current facts."

Happy too, though 2005 (not 6) wasn't so long ago except to those who want to ignore the 8 million dollar deficit. (most of our posters).
More current: in 2006 we had a 4 million dollar deficit.

In 2007 the profit from football is 11 million not 2 million. That is great and Mike is to be congratulated. That is the good news, the bad news is that CU expects football (as the only revenue producing sport) to pay for itself and all the other sports. 11 million doesn't do it. As a result CU doesn't have "robust athletic program" but only the bare minimum. I know this doesn't bother our posters.
It doesn't seem to bother them that the students pay the football deficit and at the same time the AD is cutting back or eliminating student sports because of football.

"Bohn also recently committed to spending money on several non-revenue sports including Track and Field and Women's soccer".

Nothing more than he should, this is his job. It is a shame (not Mike's fault) that the track facilities became so run down that the Big 12 officials threatened to cancel the Big 12 championships at Potts field if Mike didn't upgrade them.

Thanks for the post.

Posted by rodrigo on April 30, 2008 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Told you, LA. Now it's your turn to try and contend with the bogus logic of rs.

Posted by rswright on April 30, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bzainthemd;

For an educated person you are starting to rant.

First: no one said that the AD should stop spending money on football. Football is the only way (except for CU funding) that we will ever have the "robust" athletic program we both seem to want. It is the lack of fan and alumni support which has resulted in CU having to cut back student programs to the bare mimimum.(and as CU provides football for alums and fans, their failure to support the program is a legitimate criticism).

"Have you been to tennis and golf programs across the country to make your assessment of how bad our facilities are?"
Answer: no, but how bad would the tennis facilities have to be not to have plumbing, shelter and electricity? But again, don't just rant,go see the facility yourself or phone the AD and ask him if there is plumbing?
And when there is no golf facility for home matches at CU it is pretty hard to compare them with those schools which do.
By the way have you read the NCAA rules yet? I can list it for you.

Posted by LAbuffAlum on April 30, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RS- the 2 mill I was referencing was the AD as a whole not just football, sorry if the post wasn't clear.

Posted by rodrigo on May 1, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rs: "It is the lack of fan and alumni support..."

So, how much did you give last year? How many games did you attend?

Posted by extrapoint on May 1, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by rswright on April 30, 2008 "....you are starting to rant"

how funny is this?....

Posted by extrapoint on May 1, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rs wright
you keep ignoring the fact that if someone wanted tennis everything would be fine.

as for golf, that is one sport that does not belong at a public university at all, especially a western public university.

Both of these sports are country club sports. Country clubs are elitest organizations made up of the old guard wealthy. Yet you want funds from the proletariat to subsidize them.

Golf at least does have a scholarship program called Evans Scholars and you dont even have to play golf to land one. Quit beating your gums on a dead horse in here and go out and start a similar foundation for tennis. I have a suspicion you are a doctor and I havent seen very many poor ones.

Posted by rodrigo on May 1, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, a bit off topic but for anyone who cares a story/blog about sports journalism and those of us who blog about sports...

http://community.nytimes.com/article/...

Posted by extrapoint on May 1, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

glad now I never bought the book or watched the TV show

then again, the only time I turn on the tube is for CU football or a hockey game.
wait
almost forgot
I never miss a minute of Wimbledon (riiiight...!)

Posted by rswright on May 1, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Above, various posters long for a return of hockey,wrestling and baseball. CU used to have these sports.
They were eliminated to pay for football. (Facts don't have to be current and there is a place for history in all this).
Will the football team earn enough money to win and pay for a return of the lost sports?
Mike says these sports will come back but the pressure on him is to use the profit from football to keep up with the OUs and NUs.i.e.in Nov last year,our posters wanted to use the profit for raises for the assist.coaches. CU is 49th in the nation for public funding of its University so no hope there. The Regents have already "loaned"(a euphemism for gift)student money to pay the deficit.
There is only one other source of revenue. If football is to win and the other sports return, it is up to fans and alums to buy tickets.
Try to think what can I do to promote people coming to the game.(like Mac says).

P.S. Posters who think about football first (innocent until proven guilty) and CU second, don't help.


P.S.S. and yes, there is support for the sports of my choice. And yes,try to make every game either in person or on TV. The roar at the OU game when the last second kick is never to be forgotten. Go Buffs!

Posted by bzainthemd on May 1, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rswright,
You telling me that I am ranting? Very funny.
I think you would win Ranter Of The Year if we voted on it.

Once you compare facilities, then talk. I don't have to visit the tennis courts just because YOU say they are bad and YOU challenge me to. That would be like me saying Invesco Field is the worst NFL stadium with regards to its facilities without visiting other NFL stadiums. You have no credibility on this one.

Yes, I have some knowledge of the NCAA rules, which do not add to your argument one bit. If we are within the rules, then what is your beef about?

And please, you started this conversation months ago saying we spend too much money on football and we should spend more on tennis. Then went off on people who defended spending on football. Anyone else remember his rants over the months? Now you are saying spending money of football is the only way we can have the robust athletic department that we want. Funny, that's what we all said to you. Had you said this yourself months ago, nobody would be calling you out.

Posted by rodrigo on May 1, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, rs has been at this for well over a year. He was beatin' the same horse in April 2007. It's what he does. Makes him feel important. $20 bucks says he'll still be at it in April 2009. Another $20 says none of us will ever see his ass in a Folsom Field seat during a CU football game.

Posted by rswright on May 1, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no doubt too much money is spent on football.i.e. flat screen TV's, refurbished locker rooms, bubbles,luxury box seats. They add nothing to the team's performance. They are done to keep up with the Jones's i.e. NU and OU.
Spend all the money necessary to make the team win, but not a nickel that takes away from other sports simply to pretend we have a lot of money. Everyone knows we don't. Don't you think the recruits are going to figure out that what Hawk says is true? It is public knowledge that Colorado is 49th nationwide in public spending on higher education; that it depends on out of state students for 83% of it's budget. There is not a lot of money available to spend it on the add-ons for football like luxury seats for fans and alums. So spend it on what is necessary and not the add-ons.

Posted by extrapoint on May 1, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wrong again double fault breath
1.facilities bring in recruits which adds to the teams performance.
2. somehow I wonder if you will ever convince anyone here tennis is necessary.

Posted by archalon on May 1, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I for one officially no longer care about rswright,the sad state of tennis economics, golf poverty, or whether or not we have a badminton or curling team at CU. (wait, did I ever care ....?)

CU football spends alot of money. CU football makes alot of money. Does it equal out ? I dont know and I dont care.

If you want great tennis facilities, find someone who cares enough to donate for it. Or better, take Churchill's salary and give it to them. Or the funds used to bring idiot speakers to campus. Or the funds that are wasted on excessive admin salaries. Blah, blah, blah.

People like rswright will always claim it is football's fault. But the entire university system is a bloated, wasteful structure of misused funds, tax, tuiton or otherwise. And dont even get me started on how universties raise tuition claiming poverty when they ink deals with corporate America for often dubious pursuits. Example: University of Minnesota, who has spent more time in bed with Cargill pursuing food genomics for profit that we should all wonder who really runs that university (and why your sandwich has genetic markers in its 'whole grain' ). Im sure CU is no different, with NASA or whomever. (except CU athletics are way better......)

Kids are at CU for an education and if fortunate, they can play sports. If the facilities are so bad, they are welcome to leave anytime. If the whole tennis team quit, no one would care.

It must really suck to be a marginalized, disaffected blowhard like rswright, complaining about something that is obviously meaningful to him - but to few others.

Go CU football. Im proud to admit it is the only sport I care about at CU, a personal policy since 1985.

Posted by extrapoint on May 1, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If Bzdelik manages to get some recruits in the next couple of years, I feel pretty sure a lot more will start caring about basketball.

I'm a track and field fan but I am also grounded in the reality that not many others are...sooo...I will not whine and beg like a self serving socialist for some major facility.
CU's distance runners have made the University one of the best programs in the nation. They already have the best facility in the nation....high altitude.

Posted by rswright on May 2, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Reading these posts for a while it becomes clear that Archalon is a typical football fan.
He gives you his opinion of CU.
...the entire university system is a bloated, wasteful structure of misused funds, tax, tuiton or otherwise..."
What are the football stats on income vs.outgo? "I don't know and I don't care".
In short, the typical poster, and the typical fan, doesn't like the University, doesn't care about who pays for football,doesn't care whether CU goes in debt to pay for football, doesn't care whether the students pay for his fun, doesn't care whether CU has more than the bare minimum of sports rather than a "robust" sports program for its students. In short, he cares about nothing having to do with CU except football. Congratulations to Rodrigo,EP and the rest, at least one of you told the truth.

Posted by rodrigo on May 2, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Neill and Kyle:

I assume every once in a while you guys get around to perusing these posts. If so, I have a suggestion:

How about letting rs write a guest column laying out his views on all that ails the University? You could run his picture and print his name so the whole world would know he's a serious individual willing to publicly stand behind his assertions.

That way he could actually reach a broader universe of CU fans - instead of just the couple dozen of us who post here.

I suggest this because I'm not really sure he's reaching the right - or enough of the right - people. It would also give him a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be somewhat concise and actually attempt to lay out a cohesive argument, in print, so that we could all be clear, once and for all, what his point actually is.

Maybe you could even offer to let Dan Hawkins or Mike Bohn (I think rs and Bohn are friends because rs always refers to Bohn by first name) write a response or rebuttal so that rs no longer has the dual responsibility of speaking for them as well.

Just a suggestion from a loyal and devoted CU alum, University supporter and Buff football, cross country, skiing, women's basketball, men's basketball, track soccer and volleyball fan.

Sincerely,
rodrigo

Posted by rodrigo on May 2, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh, and rs, it's rodrigo with a small r.

Posted by bouldabuff on May 2, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you guys notice that as soon as I made fun of OU tallisall stopped writing, is that because he really is an OU fan......or he knows that my breaking news stories about the summer jobs of Sam "walkingstick" Bradford and Phil "baby-jabba" Loadholt are completely factual?

Any thoughts?

I suggest they cut funding to those whiney tennis players and add BASEBALL!!! I will build the stadium if you guys bring the fans. rswright - dude. come on. tennis. really? If you built them nice facilities with a beautiful world class stadium, and a bathroom - they would still have 5 fans including you. Cut funding to football - hundreds of thousands of disgruntled fans, cut funding to tennis - rs crying on a daily camera website. Hmmmmmmmm

Posted by extrapoint on May 2, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rodrigo
with friends like rs tennis doesnt need any enemies.
if rs had approached the subject in a reasonable manner (maybe like....without attacking football) most of us would probably have been smpathetic.
Your suggestion that he do his annoying in act in the Camera would probably doom tennis on the CU campus.
Look at his kettle/pot last post haranguing archalon when the only difference between his posts and archalon's is one only cares for football and the other only for tennis....oh yeah and golf.
Maybe rs will purchase an uber expensive full section of greenbelt and the even more expensive and rare water rights for that home course for that handful of golfers. I imagine their party room at the country club already shames the football facility.
I'm sorry, but I still cant get over his reverse robin hood mentality....take common funds for country club sports.

Posted by extrapoint on May 3, 2008 at 6:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure everyone saw the article on beach volleyball this morning.
There is another sport considerably more popular than tennis.
Does Webster's define a "full slate" as including tennis?

Posted by bufffan8 on May 3, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

anybody know what happended at Geer's hearing?

Posted by rswright on May 3, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guess you guys must be proud of Archalon. As not one of our posters criticizes his stance he must speak for you all.

Bouldabuff:

As far as cutting funds for football, there has never been a post from this end that said cut funds that football needs to win. There should not be money spent for the add-ons of football
(luxury box seats and flat screen tv's) until
baseball and the lost seven other sports are returned, our coaches are not the worst paid in the Big 12 and the facilities for all sports (not just tennis) are updated.
You talk about popularity.Popularity, is not the measure of student sports as they are for the students, not the fans. On the other hand football is for the alums and fans,not the students (note how they get the best seats in Folsom). Not one fan is ever going to have a better experience at Folsom because of those flat screen tv's or Hawks newly renovated potty.
Remember this whole discussion started because Neill said the facilities have been improved across the board.

Posted by OUBuff on May 3, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm all for keeping tennis. Face it, it is the cheapest option to keeping bowl eligibility, I say keep tennis. Put the $ in football and basketball and make some money. With enough success in the big 3, perhaps we can get hockey and baseball... and still short fund the tennis team. Makes sense to me.

Posted by extrapoint on May 3, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

more amazing bs from rs
"On the other hand football is for the alums and fans,not the students"

Like tennis is

the only few students rs mingled with must have been that handful of tennis players.

I guess rs hasnt watched any football games recently, either.

as a student I found a senior, such as rswright, who didnt care for football and used his class schedule to buy senior season tickets. I sat in the senior section for 4 years... which are the best seats in the house. Almost every other student I knew was there with me.

I dont think anyone here, including myself, was biased against tennis. Like I said before, with friends like rswright tennis has plenty of enemies.

Posted by choderlos1741 on May 4, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RS Wright is under the impression that college sports are like high school, and average students just try out for sports, and so sports are for the students. Therefore, we should spend more money on crap sports like tennis. Of course, since tennis brings in no revenue, that means that any money spent on tennis is money taken directly from the students (who couldn't care less about tennis), but facts are unimportant to rswright, as his year-long rant against football shows.

College sports are about entertaining students and alumni, and fostering a sense of school loyalty, and advertising the school to high school students around the country so that we can continue to charge exorbitant tuition rates from out of state students. Therefore it is of paramount importance that the football program be allowed to keep at least half of the 27 million dollars in revenue it brings in to keep itself competitive. But by all means, lets take even more money from the football program to spend on tennis and soccer, sports practically nobody cares about, so that spoiled white girls can get a free education on the backs of poor black men playing football. That's fair.

Posted by rodrigo on May 4, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said, c.

I'm proud of both you and arch.

Posted by archalon on May 5, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again rswright, you are incorrect. Im not a typical fan. My experience with both intercollegiate athletics and the university education system of this country does privilege me to a perspective that is neither typical nor narrow minded. I just choose not to care about your point of view regarding the poor status of country club sports.A healthy athletic department is desirable by all and about the only thing I have in common with you. Sports like tennis are not they way to do it, and that is where we differ.

I do care about the University and since the rest of your accusations are ridiculous, I wont dignify them with a response.

And please do the other posters here a favor by not implicating them in my points of view. Each person is entitled to their opinion and if others do not openly criticize me, it does not mean they support my opinions. Let each person speak for themselves and respect that they may have a valid point you could learn from.

I am not naive in my support of the University or the Football program. You rswright are so blinded by your contempt for the football program that you actually beleive your defense of the elitist snobbery that is tennis and golf is noble in some way. Let it go.

Posted by archalon on May 5, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Extrapoint - I should clarify. I dont "only care for football", inappropriate choice of words on my part. I only "choose to follow and support football" because of personal interest and I trust that maintaining other sports is better left to people qualified to do so, like Athletic Directors.

In fact, I am in full support of CU having Baseball, Hockey, Softball and whatever other team sports are out there that are in demand by either students, the University or alumni. The interest to follow those sports isnt there for me, so in that sense, I will not "choose to follow and support them" in the manner in which I support Football.

Posted by extrapoint on May 5, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no problem, arch
it was just a futile attempt on my part to get rs to look in the mirror.
At least you dont manufacture crap like he does.

Posted by tallisall on May 5, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A good start would be Hawkin's first winning season as CU Head Coach to appear this season.

Posted by rswright on May 5, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Archalon says:
"CU football spends alot of money. CU football makes a lot of money. Does it equal out ? I dont know and I dont care."
Football cost CU 8 million dollars in 05, 4 million in 06 but Archalon doesn't care. Let someone else pay for my fun. When not one poster says anything that Archalon is off base,it is easy to conclude, that they are just like Archalon, they don't know and don't care. Archalon is not an exception, he is typical.
No one on this side hates or has any contempt for football. This is about
those who really don't like the University, "But the entire university system is a bloated, wasteful structure of misused funds, tax, tuiton or otherwise." and then say
"I do care about the University..."
He is typical of our fans who really who really don't care about CU, only football, no matter how much they try
to modify or correct the statements they previously made.

Cholderos says:
"RS Wright is under the impression that college sports are like high school, and average students just try out for sports, and so sports are for the students."

If not studens, who do you think CU recruits? First last and always, those recruited are students. (Football might be the exception because many are interested in an NFL career). But, if not for students, who do you think competes in these sports? These sports are student sports because they are provided for students, not fans and alums like football.
And stop whining about tennis, this is about ALL the student sports which have been cut back or eliminated
i.e. baseball, wrestling, hockey etc. and whose facilities in need of repair because of the excesses (not the necessities) of the football program. i.e. 3.3 million for luxury box seats, flat screen tvs, Hawks new potty.
The problem is that our posters say
they want a robust athletic program but no one admits it all about football. You guys are really like Archalon, but at least he told the truth.

Posted by extrapoint on May 5, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

smile....when you call me a liar, podnah

Posted by archalon on May 5, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the laugh rswright. You are proof that no matter what anyone says, you are always right. What a burden that must be to carry.

I agree with the earlier post: let him have a forum in a riveting Camera expose of the state of CU athletic funding (yawn). Give him an audience of the masses to voice his clearly misunderstood position. I really think there are legions of alumni, students and faculty that are just plain unaware of the trivialized status of so many oppresed student athletes outside of the football program.

I admit that Im no expert on athletic department funding, but I'd fly back home to Colorado for a front row seat to see the A.D. torch rswright's theories in public bonfire.

Smores anyone ?

Posted by rodrigo on May 5, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again let me publicly state how proud I am of arch.

rs: wrestling and baseball were axed 28 years - and five football head coaches - ago. I don't think cutting those sports had anything to do with flat screens or Hawk's potty.

Posted by rswright on May 5, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodrigo says "Once again let me publicly state how proud I am of arch." Archalon says "But the entire university system is a bloated, wasteful structure of misused funds, tax, tuiton or otherwise."
rodrigo, as you are proud of Arch, tell us what part of Arch's statement are you the proudest?

Now instead of complaining to Neill, why don't you write him an email and ask him what caused the demise of wrestling and baseball 28 years ago. You say you dislike that my posts assume the truth. (Like poor brainzemed who needs a survey of facilities nationwide before he believes that a facility without plumbing, electricity and shelter needs improvement.) Now you have the opportunity to ask someone in a position to know. Send him an email and see what he says or don't you have the courage to find out that what is said here is true? That is, seven sports in 1980 were eliminated because of deficits in the athletic department caused by football.

Posted by rodrigo on May 6, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RS: as I posted, oh, I guess about nine months ago, I was offered a wrestling scholarship to CU a week before the program was waxed. I am very aware of why it was waxed so don't need to ask Neill or anyone else. Of all people, I suppose I would be among the most justified in feeling bitter that a then-runaway football program in effect cost me that scholarship.

However, any thinking person would understand that the current situation - let's call it the Bohn/Hawkins era - is far, far different then that brought us by Fairbanks, Neuheisel and Barnett.

It has nothing to do with courage. Even at the age of 18 I realized the world won't always offer me every thing I want, so I moved on with my life.

It's time for you to do the same.

I'm proudest of Arch for the following: "It must really suck to be a marginalized, disaffected blowhard like rswright, complaining about something that is obviously meaningful to him - but to few others."

Posted by extrapoint on May 6, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In light of the fact that the tennis facility's condition consumes rswright like a landlord is consumed by rent, I am still waiting for the anouncement of a fitting contribution by him and his fellow biffs over at the country club.

Isnt there one contractor among all you raquet swninging doctors and lawyers?

Isn't it tax deductable? I have tons of sympathy for people with tax problems. Especially those who want to use other people's tax money. I'll bet rswright doesnt even pay taxes in the State of Colorado.

Posted by rswright on May 6, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CU is about its students. For alums and fans, as you are no longer students, CU provides football. But you let your love of football overshadow your love for CU. Arch speaks for your concern about football's finances. "I don't know and I don't care". When you say you don't care it is a sentiment shared by our posters. Not one has ever lamented the fact that you alums and fans, who screamed for Barnett's head, then left it up to CU to bail football out of its deficits. Were it not for the football deficits, the AD would not have to cut back or eliminate non revenue sports, could repair the facilities or bring back some of the lost sports. To say no one cares only fits your prejudice. The above posters longed for the return of wrestling, baseball and hockey. Mike was grilled in public for 20 minutes last year about not bringing back baseball. So, posters, when will you temper your love of football with your love for CU?

P.S. Arch: If you don't have any facts and resent the "always right" tone, then read Kyle Ringo's three excellent articles on the history of CU atheltics. Unless, as you have said, you don't care.

P.S.S. Rodrigo: To think that you can ignore 05 and 06 and that football's profligate ways have ended,just look at Hawk's new potty, the flat screen TV's and the renovated locker rooms. These are expensive add-ons at a time the other sports don't have the basics.
And EP is hopeless to think a football athlete comes to CU because of its facilities rather than the coach and a chance to play.

Posted by JAWS on May 6, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rs - stopt telling the football team how to spend its PRIVATE donation $. Make up some new facts and then come back... and by the way PS stands for 'Post Script' so your genius inscription on 'P.S.S' (which would mean 'post script script?!?!?!) to Rodrigo above, makes about as much sense as giving the tennis team more money... Give them your own PRIVATE donations like many of us do to both the University as well as PRIVATELY to the CU football team. Did you even GO to college, it sure doesn't show up in your 5th-6th grade letter writing ability. Oh, and on a cheerful note: Good luck to the mens golf team, unlike the tennis team, THEY did make it to the NCAA's... Go Buffs!!!

Posted by tallisall on May 6, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They could do marble shooting, that's got a low overhead.

Posted by extrapoint on May 6, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gotta love rswright's straw man argument....we all hate CU?

Time put up or shut up windbag.
I've made donations, not just to football but school's general fund.
You and your ilk wont even come forward with urinal cakes for your sweet tennis players, You prefer to shriek like a colic baby.
Guess how many minds you have changed here?
Guess how much new tennis bias you have created here?
When someone wants money, the successful recipients usually come with their hat in their hand.
Instead of allowing the football program to improve at the benefit of other sports, maybe we should focus all our efforts on tennis and see how much it can bring in. Judging by tennis fans who wont contribute a dime....good luck with that.

Oh yeah....If you think facilities have nothing to do with it, (what was that you were crying for again?) try reading quotes from potential recruits once in a while.
basically you just need to get a plexiglass window on your stomach so you can where you are going and what is really happening. We all know by now that asking you to pull your head out is completely futile.

Posted by rswright on May 7, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jaws: "Stop telling the football team how to spend it's private donations." You must be talking about the 8 million given by CU to pay off football's deficit in 05 or the 4 million in 06. Did you see
OU or NU going into debt because you football fans didn't support the program? Only CU because you football fans yell as loud as the huskers but don't put your money where your mouth is.

EB: try talking facts instead of trash. Facts get attention.

Posted by DrTom on May 7, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang, you guys still having money troubles?

Posted by rswright on May 7, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You want some facts, try these. Our posters tell us how they donate to football i.e. EP above. The consequence of lack of donations in 05 was that the football program went 8 million in debt. In 06 it was another 4 million. If you want to delude yourself that things under Hawk have changed, try this fact. In 07 the AD had an 11 million dollar profit. Because of your donations? No. Because of tv money.
Because our fans and alums didn't donate the football program for 05 and 06 went over 8 million in debt. Support your own program before telling others to support theirs.

P.S. Jaws says;
"stopt telling the football team how to spend its PRIVATE donation."
Who on the football team tells it "how to spend its private donation?" Is it the coach, or Cody, come on tell us.
And before correcting my grammar
try "stop" not "stopt".

Posted by extrapoint on May 7, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we are still waiting to hear what you have donated big boy

or is it just gimme gimme gimme?

Posted by rodrigo on May 8, 2008 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And how many times you've actually purchased a ticket to attend a CU sports event...

or is everyone else the problem?

Posted by rswright on May 8, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When one has no facts, it gets personal.

Posted by rodrigo on May 8, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We'll let your reluctance to answer speak for itself.

Posted by rswright on May 8, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Over 20 posters above want a return of the seven sports lost because of football. Your ilk caused the loss of these sports and drove the football program into debt by turning in your season tickets and lack of donations. Does the fact that you fans and alums cost CU 8 million dollars,7 sports and the facilities for non revenue sports are woeful or non existent matter to you?
Archalon a typical football poster, tells the truth when he says "I don't know and I don't care".

Posted by rodrigo on May 8, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Talk about personal.

Ok. I, as the chief representative of "my ilk," am personally guilty of ruining the sports program at CU, as well as the university at large, because my donations and support through ticket purchases over the years wasn't enough to buy the tennis team a new facility but did get Coach Hawkins a new potty and some nice new flatscreen tvs for his players to play Grand Theft Auto on when they're not out beating up helpless, unsuspecting guys with tasers or figuring out ways to not graduate.

Guilty as charged. Hear that everyone? You're all off the hook... It's my fault. I accept full responsibility. If anybody needs me I'll be out back falling on my sword.

Posted by archalon on May 8, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny how that everything I've said in this thread comes down to two comments rswright continually misrepresents: not caring about the internal dynamics of athletic funding and my critique of the wasteful nature of the American university system. Both are conveniently twisted by rswright to serve his own purposes and cast me in an anti CU position. Typical football poster is a tired line, but then again I'd have to care about your opinion to be insulted.

People at the university are hired to manage the finances, so I let them do it. I am a fan of the sport of football, others can go on their merry way and play\support or otherwise have any sport they choose. The sum of this is that I DONT CARE about YOU'RE misguided and misappropriated opinion of athletic funding.

Guess Im guilty as charged too - to think all those games in Boulder, Lincoln and Ames I attended supporting my team just wasn't enough to placate the limp wristed rswright and his b.s. opinions of fan responsibility. Rswright will never be happy with anything related to CU or its fans but wants everyone to care about his distorted perceptions of 28 years of athletic program management.

From here on, why dont you advocate a policy of athletic department Darwinism: make every program stand on its own merit for funding, if you dont make it you cant spend it. And guess what ? football would be left and your precious individual sports of participation would find an even swifter demise.

Posted by extrapoint on May 8, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how do you argue with a complete idiot?
the people who do support the program, financially, are the ones that ruined it?
and rswright, the deadbeat, is accusing the financial supporters of ruining the program?
that appears to be a FACT.
Another FACT until we hear otherwise, rswright hasnt put a penny where his catfish mouth is.

Posted by rodrigo on May 8, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"how do you argue with a complete idiot?"

That's the most succinct summation of this entire waste of time I can think of.

Posted by rswright on May 10, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Archalon says:
"football would be left and your precious individual sports of participation would find an even swifter demise."

Truer words were never mispoken. In order to compete in a bowl game CU has to have 15 sports. Thus football would never be left and the other sports never find "an even swifter demise". It is posts like this,of which Brainzemed is another,
which demonstrates our football posters have no
idea that football is dependent on 15 other sports. CU is a University not a football franchise.

Archalon claims his previous post was twisted.
Here are the quotes.

"CU football spends alot of money. CU football makes alot of money. Does it equal out ? I dont know and I dont care."

"...But the entire university system is a bloated, wasteful structure of misused funds, tax, tuiton or otherwise."

Tells you what Arch thinks about football's finances and your university. He cares about football, not the University.

P.S. When rodrigo and EP don't have facts, they get personal.

Posted by rodrigo on May 11, 2008 at 4:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Or maybe - like everyone else here seems to agree - you're just an idiot.

Posted by extrapoint on May 11, 2008 at 6:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

another idiot fact
"football is dependent on 15 other sports"
you said it yourself first
only a bowl game is dependent

fact
you twist everything you say like this

fact
another sign of an idiot is when you think everyone else is an idiot...and I take that personaly

Posted by extrapoint on May 11, 2008 at 7:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fact
football is far and beyond the most popular sport on campus

fact
there are a few sports on campus that are on life support simply because of yet another arcane NCAA rule. Guess one of them?

fact
there are several other sports that a vast majority would like to see on campus besides tennis and golf. Browbeating archalon and attacking everyone else....yes thats right your whole MO has been an attack on football and football fans....doesnt change that a bit.

fact
if tennis almni dont care about donating for tennis why should any of the above.

fact
desperate repetitve bellyachers with nothing new to say only damage their own cause.

fact
inspite of the fact Walto had one pity attack, everyone else recognizes you for the banal crybaby jerk you are.

Posted by extrapoint on May 11, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fact
there are a hundred times the tennis players watching a football game in Folsom on Saturday than there are all other sports combined watching a tennis match.

Posted by bufffan8 on May 11, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tennis is ping pong - standing on the table.

Posted by rswright on May 11, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's talk donations.
CU has one of the lowest amount of donations in the Big 12. Soley because of football deficits, CU has eliminated eight sports for students.
As a result alums have donated to golf, tennis and now track.
When football left CU 8 million in debt,in 05 & 06 where were you alums and fans to donate and buy tickets? Especially since as you say
"football is far and beyond the most popular sport on campus". When you fans and alums donate to football in proportion to the fact that "football is far and beyond the most popular sport on campus" then you have the right to criticize others.