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Buffs vow not to be intimidated by OU

Colorado has lost 14 in a row to ranked foes

Colorado football coach Dan Hawkins has a boatload of aphorisms and messages he shares with his players throughout the year. They have come to be known as Hawkisms.

Hawkins, a voracious reader, can't claim credit for all of them, but one adage he seems to be particularly fond of goes something like this: "Stay off the mountain tops and out of the valley."

It is his way of trying to keep players on an even keel focused only on each week's opponent. The next six days could test the Buffs' ability to manage their emotions to their coach's satisfaction, not getting too high or too low.

They are coming off their first shutout in nearly two years, having beaten Miami (Ohio) 42-0 in Folsom Field over the weekend. This Saturday No. 3 Oklahoma comes to Boulder for homecoming and the first Big 12 Conference game of the season.

After proving they have matured to the point where they are capable of handling an opponent like Miami, Hawkins was asked Sunday evening whether beating a ranked opponent or a heavily favored one is the next step for his program.

"We've won four games in two years so we're just trying to win a football game against anybody," Hawkins said.

Saturday's contest will be the 37th time the Buffs havefaced the Sooners when they were ranked among the top 25 teams in the nation. It's the most of any CU opponent over the years.

The Buffs have lost 14 consecutive games against ranked opponents and haven't beaten a ranked team since Nov. 8, 2003, against Missouri. During the streak the closest the Buffs have come to victory was a 14-13 loss at then-No. 9 Georgia last year.

Oklahoma this week will supplant Georgia last year as the highest-ranked team Hawkins has ever coached against. Hawkins said the Sooners are as impressive as any team he has had to prepare for in his career.

"They got a lot of good everything," he said.

The Buffs traveled to Oklahoma last season and hung with the Sooners into the fourth quarter before falling 24-3. Coaches and players said that performance won't mean much this year because both teams are so different, but they do believe the Sooners will come to town expecting the Buffs to be physical and play hard.

"They won't take us lightly," CU defensive coordinator Ron Collins said.

CU quarterback Cody Hawkins said the Buffs have plenty of respect for the Sooners for obvious reasons, but they won't be in awe of their national ranking all week.

"It's a testament to what they've done so far," Cody Hawkins said. "But as far as intimidating us or scaring us, I mean, we know that we're going to play a lot of great teams.

"Oklahoma is, they're Oklahoma. It doesn't matter what their ranking is. I mean, whether they're 0-4 or 4-0 like they are right now, they're going to be Oklahoma. ...Regardless of their ranking, we know it's going to be a really tough battle."

The Sooners are the highest scoring team in the nation through the first four weeks of the season, averaging an absurd 61.5 points per game. Quarterback Sam Bradford is the second-most efficient quarterback in the nation to this point, completing 78 percent of his throws for more than 1,000 yards and 14 touchdowns.

"They've done a nice job bringing him along from managing the game to actually making decisions and making throws down the field and being very, very efficient," Hawkins said.

The Oklahoma defense is fourth in the nation against the run, which could bring the Buffs ground game to halt after it racked up more than 300 yards against Miami. In the two previous games, CU rushed for just five yards on 51 carries.

Notable

Dan Hawkins said he has not met with suspended linebacker Michael Sipili to find out what Sipili's plans are for the rest of the semester. Hawkins said he will meet with the sophomore linebacker soon. Sipili was suspended from school for the rest of the fall semester last week for his role in an off-campus street brawl in June.

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Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam Bradford is 6'5" (and he's not related to Bob Stoops). Cody Hawkins is 5'9" and ....

Posted by kimolukela on September 24, 2007 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CU's defense has been solid and hopefully the big hogmollies up front can provide some protection and open some holes. If we get some turnovers and are able to capitalize on them, we could definitely make this a close ball game.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Kyle, thanks for letting us know Hawk is a "voracious reader." Let me guess, you know this "fact" because Hawk told you.

Also, who coined the phrase "Hawkism?" Nevermind, I know it was Coach Hawkins and you are just repeating his statements about himself, the same way you swallowed the whole 59-0 thing!

Come on Kyle, you're a journalist, not a PR flak!

Posted by nwbuff32 on September 24, 2007 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let it go whosyour. Get used to seeing Cody run this offense for the next few years. The kid may be 5-11, but he's got more heart than you will ever have. Definetely more brains too.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People keep saying Cody only throws to his primary receiver. The reason for that is he's too small to see over his own line and can't see the open man; and that's likely to get much more difficult for him when Miller and Solder start playing.

BTW, I know you guys believe everthing the CU PR flaks say but Cody isn't 5'11". Just go look for yourself; he's the size of an average middle schooler.

Posted by bouldabuff on September 24, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OU should capitalize on Sam Bradford as a marketing tool, the first step would be getting him on a Proactiv commercial with Jessica Simpson.

2ndBuff, WhosYourDaddy---please go away.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bouldabutt - You can take it. The truth is good for you.

Posted by reallifeshocker on September 24, 2007 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no matter how you pose it, the ou question is always answered the same way: "we'll not climb this mountain, but hopefully survive the attempt". (not a hawkish aphorism.) the simple truth is cody hawkins could be equipped as peyton manning and the ou result will still be the same. this is a big, strong, fast, and nasty team, on a mission. pray for noone to get destroyed, and look foreward to less respectable future foes, and enjoy victory another day.

Posted by COSBUFF on September 24, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WhosYour, if OU's secondary is so impressive how do they give up 350 recieving yards (69% completion % for their starting QB) to a very average Tulsa team? Sounds like they were using their "speed burner" speed to run down recievers after they made a lot of catches at will on your "experienced" secondary.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

COSBUTT - I didn't say anything about OU's secondary. But I did say OU has a 6'5" QB, which is what you need to win in D-1.

The days of the little fellas playing QB are over (unless your father is the head coach)!

Posted by cubuff85 on September 24, 2007 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WhosYourDaddy needs to research who was runner-up NFL MVP last year and who started at quarterback for the NFC in the Pro Bowl. While you're at it, look up his height. (Since it would take WhosYourDaddy too long to look up N-F-L if I spotted him the N and the F, it is Drew Brees, 5'11).

Posted by bouldabuff on September 24, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WhosYourDaddy....Ooooh I see what you are doing, you're taking everyone's names and turning it into the word butt......Wow!! Very clever. You really should write stand-up. Really, no joke, I think you are very clever....oh and funny. Wow!!

Posted by nwbuff32 on September 24, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

add chase daniel to that list

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Drew Brees is an extraordinarily small QB at 6'0" 209 lbs (which is much bigger than Cody). He makes up for his lack of size with a very strong arm and good mobility. Cody has neither!
Cody's own father (the head coach in case you didn't know) has acknowledged that Cody has a weak arm and he is one of the slowest players on the team with a 5.05 time in the 40.

Cody may be small but at least he's slow and has a weak arm!

Posted by rswright on September 24, 2007 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hawk turns in the best coaching game since Boise, Cody performs and the defense forces the Sooners to turn the ball over and CU wins 35-33. Go Buffs!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know you guys want to turn back the clock and pretend that little guys like Cody can compete but just look what works in today's game:

Peyton Manning 6-5, 230
Tom Brady 6-4, 225
Carson Palmer 6-5, 230
Matt Linert 6-5, 230
Vince Young 6-5, 233
Ben Rothlisberger 6-5, 241
Jamarcus Russell 6-6, 255
Alex Smith 6-4, 210
Matt Hasselbeck 6-4, 225

The only reason Cody is playing is because his father is the coach.

Posted by MinnesotaBuff on September 24, 2007 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

2ndFluff I think its time you find yourself a life and move out of mommy's basement. How do you find time in your pathetic life to be the first post after every article?

Whosyourmommy you need to quit sucking your thumb and start thanking god Ball State didn't beat your Fuskers. Or are you Lambs fan? In that case way to choke it away against Houston on Sat.

Now for football. The Buffs offensive line will have to show up. They must create holes for the running game and give Cody time to throw for the Buffs to have a chance. Lil' Hawk absolutely can not turn the ball over against OU. The DBacks will also have their hands full against the tall athletic wideouts that OU has.

I don't think anyone on the planet will give the Buffs a chance to win this game. But with what App State did and Syracuse beating Louisville at home anything can happen in college football. The Buffs will keep this one respectable. SHOULDER TO SHOULDER!

Posted by lindec on September 24, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Being a certain height or weight is not the most important thing in football as long as you're a playmaker. Cody has been able to hit the long ball pretty well and has given us a much more consistent passing game than we had last year. I'd rather have a normal sized kid who makes plays than a 6-5 monster at QB who doesnt do much for us. Oh and by the way, the next time you try to make that argument, why don't you go talk to guys like Mike Hart (5-9, 196) or Ray Rice (5-9, 195), or Steve Slaton (5-10, 195). And just so you know Chase Daniel is 6-0, Rudy Carpenter, Pat White (Pat weighs as much as Cody) and Dennis Dixon are under 200 pounds. Oh and just a little side note- Pat White, Ray Rice, Steve Slaton and Mike Hart all are Heisman Candidates. Being tall and heavy doesnt make you a D1 star. Heart, skill and determination do. Cody has all three in my opinion.

Posted by ColoradoPaul on September 24, 2007 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read the list of tall quarterbacks and with the exception of Linert how many won a national championship? Young Hawkins has a wonderful feel for the game, and on numerous occasions over the course of the season has checked down to secondary receivers. He reminds me of another small in stature but big on heart QB - Doug Flutie.

The Buffs have an excellent pass defense, stopping the run without compromising that aspect will be the key. If OU scores over 30 points I don't see the Buffs winning, but keeping them at or below 24 and this thing could happen.

It's Homecoming so I hope all the Buff fans sell their tickets to Buff fans. Keep the Red Out of Folsom!

Posted by RalphieWyoWyo on September 24, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vince Young won one if I'm not mistaken...
Also Alex Smith's Utes went undefeated, but because the NCAA can't get out of their own way and have a playoff, we will never know.

Posted by mtnboykev35 on September 24, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whosyourdaddy and 2nd buff. If you hate the Buffs and Hawkins soooo much why the hell are you on this site? Maybe mommy did not give you enough love and you want it from all the real BUFF fans!
It may get ugly Saturday but I am still a CU fan and feel they will keep it close. And Hawkins may not Joe Paterno or Bowden but at least he aint Barnett!

Posted by Black_Rob on September 24, 2007 at 12:19 p.m.

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Posted by extrapoint on September 24, 2007 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If whosyourdaddy knew who his own daddy was maybe it would relieve his stress somewhat.
He launches a list of professional QBs, including the best ones (not Lienert of course) at us in an effort to denegrate a red shirt freshman. How squirrely is this guy?

Posted by bouldabuff on September 24, 2007 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That 22 point line is a joke!!
2ndBuff---you need to sit back, relax and watch that line drop like your mama's panties in a truck-stop parking lot.

Posted by Buff1221 on September 24, 2007 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chris Leak and Troy Smith both quaterbacks in the National Championship last year were around 6'0. In college football you can always silence you're critics by winning. If he keeps winning and plays well then he'll prove that he is a D1 quarterback.

Posted by nwbuff32 on September 24, 2007 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

notice whosyour has no comeback for chase daniel or any other of the d-1 qbs that are barely six feet. he has to go and list the best qb's in the nfl. how pathetic. this guy has no football knowledge or insight. he brings nothing to the boards and will never have anything valuable to contribute. if he truly watched the games then you would see that cody can easily throw the ball deep. he just needs receivers that can catch the ball. and by the way he runs faster than a 5.05 40 yd. he's in the 4.7's. he doesn't scramble because he doesn't need to. he is what you call a pro-style qb.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is clearly a connection between size and performance.

"he doesn't scramble because he doesn't need to" Right!

Cody isn't "barely six feet" he's 5'9". And be sure to tell us the source of your assertion that he runs the 40 in 4.7? That's not what scout.com said when he was being "recruited" by Boise State and later by CU.

Is there a connection there? Oh, that's right, the only two schools that offered him a scolarship are coached by his father. Just think if your dad was a D-1 coach you could be a D-1 QB too!

Posted by nwbuff32 on September 24, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rivals.com. He was also offered a scholarship by oregon.

Posted by cumba06 on September 24, 2007 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow WhosYourDaddy, you went to scout.com, scrolled down to see his combine 40 yard time was 4.98 (although it is listed as 4.75 above), but you failed to keep scrolling down to see that CU, Boise State, BYU, Oregon, & Wisconsin each offered him a schoolarship.

Height alone does not win games, and that is why so many teams have had success with QB's of an average height. Ask any Texas fan out there if they preferred having Chris Simms (6' 4") or Major Applewhite (6' 0") as their QB. I would bet you 9 out of 10 would say Applewhite.

Posted by dabuffs50 on September 24, 2007 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And Cody Hawkins was invited to the Elite 11 quarterback camp because he sucks... and Cody Hawkins was on an espn reality show about top recruits because he sucked.... good god, quit whining about Cody Hawkins. We are 2-2, losing to a very good ASU team, and a down FSU squad that will be back to the top soon. Even if we lose to Oklahoma (most likely scenario) we will still be in a very good position to be bowl eligible. Kansas, KSU, Iowa State, these are teams that I see us taking out. I don't care how bad the teams have been beating cupcakes. So everyone quit complaining on an internet message board because you can't change anything. Cody is the starter and unless he starts to seriously play like Rex Grossman, the Buffs are going to have every opportunity to win some games. GO BUFFS

Posted by sintona on September 24, 2007 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whosyourdaddy is the biggest clown ever. Anybody who thinks that Cody is the problem with the (young) team is an idiot. The team is YOUNG. It is going to be 2 or 3 years before they are seriously competing for a big XII title, and that is ok. He is an 18 year old kid working his tail off to do the best that he can, which will end be being better than any QB that CU has had in the last decade, so cut him some slack and lay off the personal attacks. I know Cody, and he isn't 5'9", and he, like most other 18 yr old kids will probably grow a little more as he gets older and stronger.
The problem with the team is creating holes up front, and catching the football. Both of those problems will be worked out by the end of the season as the young recievers start to play more and the young offensive linemen get the feel for the game.
Whosyourdaddy smokes pole.
GO BUFFS

Posted by sintona on September 24, 2007 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And i know that it is hypocritical of me to say lay off the personal attacks and then resort to them myself, but whosyourdaddy deserves it, cody does not.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not personally "attacking" Cody Hawkins, I'm raising the legitimate issue of nepotism. If Cody is so good why didn't he play elsewhere, where these issues wouldn't be relevant?

There are many other student-athletes (White, Nelson, Devenny, Ballenger, etc) who have also worked their tails off, but unfortunately for them they are not the coach's son.

Posted by Ldjbuff on September 24, 2007 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CU will be ready to play this week no matter what the (2) FSU\CSU\ASU\etc..fans that log on here think. As for the comment about coll football QBs under 6ft tall who can't play because of there stature, Maybe you should do some research about these qbs ( D.Hagan-CU and S.Jones-GT both shared 1990 title, E.Zeier-91-93Georgia hold some SEC records M.Applewhite D.Wuerffel K.Detmer and D.Flutie. Sure... I would love to have these QBs instead ( G.torreta ,A,Ware,D.klinger,R.mirer,Cade Mcnown,T.collins ,E.grbac,R.leaf and the list continues, I believe K.detmer was the only qb to stay with a team in the NFL ,not because of his "HEIGHT" but because he "UNDERSTOOD" the offense and played well in it. CU just needs to play a sound game, don't get caughtup in the hype of OU,take advantage of (DE-Williams) not being there on the line,and play tough going into the 4th. The off needs to help the def by sustaining drives and not turning over the ball. GO BUFFS!!

Posted by nwbuff32 on September 24, 2007 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

white didn't work his tail off. he was a quitter and couldn't run the offense.

Posted by halluxvalgus on September 24, 2007 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brian White worked his tail off until he couldn't beat out James Cox or Bernard Jackson, then he took his ball and went home, like a whiny little girl. He was last seen leading his mighty Portland State team to 1 win in three games.

Cody didn't play elsewhere because he already knows the offense, and because he wanted to play for his dad. Do you also raise the same questions of Brian Brohm playing for family? Why should he be forced to go somewhere else because a couple of idiots don't think he deserves it?

you say you're not peronally attacking Hawkins, even though you have no proof that any of the other QB are better options, except that they are bigger. Maybe Richard Roby should play QB.

Size does not automatically correlate to success. That's asinine. you listed a whole bunch of NFL QB's, but where was Ryan Leaf? Dan McGwire? Because he was 6-8, so he was obviously the greatest Qb of all time, right?

Bernard Jackson- 12 games, 2 wins, not family
Cody Hawkins- 4 games, 2 wins, family.

which part of that equation seems most relevant?

neither of the last 2 Boise QB's (Dunwiddie, Zabransky) were tall, either.

Posted by extrapoint on September 24, 2007 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gosh 2ndbuff is sounding more like whosyourdaddy all the time!!!
One of his (their) favorite lines is "let the people decide for themselves"
To make it easier
how many people DO NOT think that they are the same and the same as guru wonder doc and sybil?
And dontcha love that 50/50 diarrea he just made up? Its more like 15/43
15 being the posts between those 2 alternating aliases....and the only ones denigrating Cody.
The extent he/she or it is willing to take this hate is almost psychotic. Almost? I think we need to notify the authorities we have a stalker on our hands. What was that board monitor's name? Jennifer? If he goes homicidal, Jennifer, you have been warned.

Posted by ralphieburger on September 24, 2007 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

2nd Buff, you're a real contributor to this board. . It's nice to have unfounded criticisms, clear lack of football knowledge, and an alter-ego persona (whosyourdaddy) rolled into one abject post. Nice work. Seriously, it's a pleasure to read your posts, tell me the one about nepotism again. That's not trite at all.

Posted by mamasboy on September 24, 2007 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1.It is ok to criticize on this board. Some of us like football, but don't like B.S. when they see it. If others would speak out about the nepotism then maybe there would be a little more pressure to keep things on the up and up with competition and recruiting.

2. The dad refered to his son as "johnny gunslinger" claiming the assistants call him that -Assistants want to be on the good side of their boss. The dad/son situation will always be a consideration in decisions regarding the QB position.

3.Zabransky and Dinwiddie were both taller and faster, but I agree the son is pretty good given his physical limits. He should be "stepping out of the box" on his own. It's the Dad's ego that brought his son to CU. If (huge IF) the team becomes good enough to truly compete big time, as the mental giants on this board think, the nepotism still wont be right. How any QB prospect or current team member would be interested in CU is perplexing to me. Why the Ballenger kid (from Boise) went to CU knowing the dad was hyping is son in the local media tells me that Ballenger is OK with not being a starter.

Posted by extrapoint on September 24, 2007 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what was that you said about being "out on a limb?"
The fact that we know you are a complete idiot speaks of our complete lucidity. We also know the chances of beating OU are pretty slim.
Our "worship" is hardly anything compared to the raw sewage you spew from your mouth on this page.
You were "out on a limb" last year too with all your nonstop trash about Boise prior to the bowl game againt OU.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 24, 2007 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mamasboy - I missed the "johnny gunslinger" comment. When was this and what exactly did he say?

I sure sounds like Hawkins. Remember he said he knew Cody was "special" just because Cody looked at him and said he wanted to play.

Posted by mamasboy on September 24, 2007 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rocky Mountain News chats with CU football coach Dan Hawkins Tuesday, September 4 at 12:04 PM
If you web search HAWKINS JOHNNY GUNSLINGER, you will see the interview transcript.

Posted by fortbuff95 on September 25, 2007 at 12:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whosyourdaddy / 2ndBuff / Footballguru - I've been reading your posts for the past year or so on this website and I've decided to start a new tradition that will follow your initial post on every football article that comes out on this site, although I do have a job and a family so I don’t think I’ll be able to wake up at the crack of dawn every day to be the first person to post this after your initial post so any of the other buff fans out there can feel free to do it for me. It will read as follows:

Whosyourdaddy / 2ndBuff / Footballguru is a known Husker fan that gives the rest of the "Husker nation" a bad name because his sole purpose on this message board is to appear that he is a pessimistic CU fan that pretends to give the illusion that he is all knowing about the University of Colorado and the football team. Anything that he posts should be discarded and chalked up to an angry Nebraska fan that will only deny that CU is not their rival, but yet turn around and spend the majority of his day pretending to be someone that he isn't and create multiple personalities / call names for himself and then post them on this board. All true CU fans are proud of our athletic department and will continue to support the University of Colorado now and forever. Go Buffs!!!

Now I realize that this will probably become old and redundant over the next few months, but I find it necessary to do at least until this guy decides to come out of the closet and start giving himself a real call name like bugeater or corncobhead. You owe it to yourself and the rest of the Husker fans to stop the charades and just be yourself.

Posted by MDBuff on September 25, 2007 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fortbuff95, I understand your frustrations, and I wholeheartedly support CU as well, though I don't think your proposed statement is necessary. We may not agree with the dissention by others, but such views are important. This posting is a valuable place to hear out opposing points and have a spirited discussion on the good, bad and and ugly. That's what college football's all about.

Posted by OUBuff on September 25, 2007 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As an OU alum and CU fan, I nonetheless believe that CU has little chance in winning this weekend. Of course that has been the case many times in the match-up.

I hate to hear all of the nepotism talk regarding the Hawkins' family. Only the truly cynical would believe that Dan Hawkins would sacrifice his long term employment prospects or the team just to start his son. Get real, use your brain. God put it there for a reason and although critical reasoning regarding football is probably not one of them it is at least practice for something important.

The truth, regardless of Cody's physical stature or Dan's lack of "big time" success is that the team is much better than last year. That is what you should be looking for, improvement. Taking the steps toward improving the W-L numbers and the competitive ability should improve the program and yield an improved talent pool.

Good luck this weekend CU. I am rooting for the upset as I have many times before. CU 18 OU 14 in a defensive battle, surprising everyone... including me.

Posted by fortbuff95 on September 25, 2007 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MDBuff - Thanks for the viewpoint and the input. I think I'll reserve this message for future statements made by 2ndbuff, etc. that are only there to undermine the the football program and the athletic department in general. My real issue with this character is that he makes comments and refers to himself as a Buff fan and then goes on to make personal attacks aimed at the coaching staff and the players.

Posted by extrapoint on September 25, 2007 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone has to remember that whosyour2ndBuff'smomma's agenda is pure spite and revenge over Barnett's dismissal. One thing you have to give him credit for is the persistence of his venom. I doubt if he has seen the light of day for over a year.
Because of the depth of his obsession he actually may be Barney if not someone extremely close to him.
The only other alternative is the possibility that he is a member of the Denver print media who has a similar unreasonable vendetta against the school.
Maybe Brian white's daddy?
Whoever he is, this guy is a pure lunatic. The team is improving, and Cody is light years ahead of last year's passing game. This is tormenting our many faced friend, leaving him twisting in the wind.
What if Hawkins does eventually fail and is fired? Will his lust be satisfied? or will he sink his fangs into any possible successor?

Posted by dabuffs50 on September 25, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whosyourdaddy / 2ndBuff / Footballguru is a known Husker fan that gives the rest of the "Husker nation" a bad name because his sole purpose on this message board is to appear that he is a pessimistic CU fan that pretends to give the illusion that he is all knowing about the University of Colorado and the football team. Anything that he posts should be discarded and chalked up to an angry Nebraska fan that will only deny that CU is not their rival, but yet turn around and spend the majority of his day pretending to be someone that he isn't and create multiple personalities / call names for himself and then post them on this board. All true CU fans are proud of our athletic department and will continue to support the University of Colorado now and forever. Go Buffs!!!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 25, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MDBuff - That kind of reason isn't often on display on this Board. Rational discussion isn't allowed here. If you say anything that isn't total worship of Dan and Cody Hawkins you're refered to as a "pure lunatic."

I've previously provided the definition of "nepotism," but some of the folks on this Board need to see the definition of "cult" as well: "a devoted attachment to, or extravagent admiration for a person, esp. with regard to a group of followers."

Sounds familiar!

Posted by extrapoint on September 25, 2007 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you say anything that isn't total worship of Dan and Cody Hawkins you're refered to as a "pure lunatic."
posted by "whosyourid?"
say "anything"?????
how about a constant redundant harangue for a year and a half?
it is there for anyone to see.
your denial rivals a politician's

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 25, 2007 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Extrapoint, you're confirming my point made above.

Posted by dabuffs50 on September 25, 2007 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well if the Buffs were a religion, this would be our church. So what the heck are you doing here again????

Posted by georgiabuff01 on September 25, 2007 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

to all of the hawk haters, in regards to 4-15 start would you much rather him satrt like charlie wiess.... what do you think about charlie wiess start this year with his top-5 recruiting class.....it's not always about how you staart but how you finish....just think for a second if the buffs can get a top-15 or 20 recruiting class....the hawk could make a serios run at a title.....the only thing i would like to see from coach hawk is to stop running so many reverses and pound it up the middle with a fullback leading the way............

Posted by reallifeshocker on September 25, 2007 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

again, noone with half a brain really would willingly give up their dignity and be an ou fan, ya gotta just be born thataway. something like a jeff foxworthy joke about rednecks, "you know you're an sooner fan when...." add your own punch-line. it's like, worse than being a democrat, or wearing facepaint as an adult, or believing the government really wants to help you (military excluded). that being said, they have more, and better, texas atheletes than anyone else, and will do their business this weekend; and next, for that matter.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 25, 2007 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

da - Thanks for your insightful comments, but I don't recall saying anything about religion. Perhaps you're confused (imagine that!).

Posted by homeontherange on September 25, 2007 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WhoseYourDaddy,

The purpose of assigning a starter at QB is to play the most effective person. Nepotism is unfairly giving a position to a family member or close friend regardless of the ability to do the job.

Cody Hawkins has performed. He's got a good pass completion percentage and would be better if recievers had caught a few of the other catchable balls.
Nepotism does not apply. Of course if you can provide EVIDENCE that Cody Hawkins has not performed well then you may continue to speak your drivel. Of course you can't provide or document your evidence to prove your point other than crying about his last name. You may claim nepotism if Cody's performance falls significantly and Dan Hawkins fails to replace him. However, I am very satisfied with Cody's play and it would take a drastic fall for me call for his replacement.
I am not worshiping at the Hawkins alter. I am not satisfied with the performance of the coaching staff for the last 2 years, but I'm intelligent enough to realize they must be afforded time to complete the task.

Until such time , give consideration to ending your tired old nepotism campaign. It's really quite worn out.
I'm really kind of concerned for your well being. Did someone hurt you in your past, perhaps your childhood? Perhaps someone picked a family member instead of you to start QB in 4th grade or something? Perhaps you should really, you know, let it go.

Best wishes and Good luck!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 25, 2007 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's look at this issue of nepotism another way. I don't believe that any state official should EVER give a coveted position to their relative. Period. We would all be offended if Bud Peterson appointed his son to a faculty position. It wouldn't matter if Peterson's kid is the best person for the job: it just wouldn't smell right.

Now in something as subjective as being a QB it's even worse. Sure there are some objective factors such as height, weight, speed, and arm strength, that we can use to measure the chance of future success but it still smells bad. The bad decision is compounded by the fact that Cody doesn't have the objective factors that make a good QB. And is further compounded by the fact that his father has either run off, demoted to other positions, or benched his competition. Then on top of that his father makes all these comments about his junior high record and how "special" Cody aka "Johnny Gunslinger" is.

My point is simple, if Cody is a good QB (and he may be) then he should prove that on an even playing field at another unversity where the skids are not greased for him.

Posted by JasperJohns on September 26, 2007 at 1:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually WhosYourDaddy, if Bud Peterson's son was appointed to a faculty position AND he was the most qualified man to hold that position (as Cody is on this football team), I don't think a single rational person would be offended in the slightest.

Of course, some people would make a lot of unwarranted noise about that hire, because we're all not rational people, are we? No, in fact some people out there are more than happy to belabor points that don't need to be made simply for the sake of bothering other people or bringing useless (often online) attention to themselves. Take for example... oh, let's say... you.

Posted by ralphieburger on September 26, 2007 at 1:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This Daddy's Boy has had it too good for too long. It's time to put in Ryan Mallet or Jimmy Clausen, or at least Jake Locker. Oh, that's right, our QB depth chart is a bare cupboard without a single leader besides Little Hawkins. Until someone can come up with a meaningful alternative it's time to stop criticizing the QB position and take it elsewhere. If there's someone being overlooked, then the nepotism argument has some credibility. That's simply not the case here. There is no 5 star recruit taking the back-burner. There's a JUCO kid without confidence and a 2-star true freshman straight out of Idaho. Show me a Peyton Manning waiting in the wings and I'll play your nepotism horn louder than you've heard it blown before. Until that day, everyone will agree that it's well-worn and overused territory.

Posted by mtnboykev35 on September 26, 2007 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well said ralphieburger!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 26, 2007 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How about Paul Wolfowitz? He made the "best person for the job" claim too.

Oh, sorry, I forgot you guys wouldn't know who that is or anything about what happened to him.

I'll give you hint, he never played for the Buffs!

Posted by ralphieburger on September 26, 2007 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This isn't like a political forum. In college football there's a set roster with a few scholarship athletes who play quarterback. I'm asking you to name one of our qb's that would be more adept at handling the role, not some sort of conjecture based on the practices of World Bank. Our roster for QB reads: Matt Ballenger, Cody Hawkins, Bernard Jackson, and Nick Nelson (BJax being thusfar unavailable). Your World Bank analogy is wholly inapplicable based on the limitations of a roster. Unless you can provide some form of proof that we aren't offering the future Peyton Mannings scholarships based on blind faith in Cody, then you succumb to the fallacy of your reasoning.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 26, 2007 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How about Brian White? Remember him? The 6'5" guy that Hawk out of the program because he didn't want him taking up Cody's playing time.

Posted by mamasboy on September 26, 2007 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Prove the assistants/players will be truly honest in anything that would affect the boss man's son in a negative way. Hawkins exposed himself in Boise by stating he would not take another job unless it was Notre Dame because the son is having success (the kid was playing for a private catholic high school). Hawkins said "this is huge" as to a reason to stay in Boise. Coaches work hard & players work hard, but BS is BS and truth is refreshing.

Posted by JasperJohns on September 26, 2007 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Brian White left CU after not getting the starting nod at QB for one game; just for the record, James Cox (the starter in the one game that BW dressed for in 2006) was also ahead of White on the depth chart when Barnett was the head coach. Was Gary clearing all competition for Cody to play in 2007 too, WhosYourDaddy?

Hawk did not run Brian out of the program, he left on his own because he was unwilling to compete. And for that matter, were he a decent football player, he'd certainly be playing somewhere other than Portland State right now.

Have you ever done any research on Freud's work, WhosYourDaddy? I find your preoccupation with size to be a little bit troubling...

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 26, 2007 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your theory is that White left CU because he didn't want to compete? That's hard to fathom, by any objective measure CU would have been better off with White at QB than Jackson. And White certainly knew he could beat Jackson out for the starting job last year. But Hawkins made it very clear to White he was going to get benched to make room for Cody in his senior year. Nepotism!

Posted by JasperJohns on September 26, 2007 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Football teams aren't built entirely with objective measurements, if they were Ryan Leaf would still be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

White made it very clear to everyone that he has no heart, and "made room for Cody" by his own actions.

Posted by halluxvalgus on September 26, 2007 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"by any objective measure CU would have been better off with White at QB than Jackson. And White certainly knew he could beat Jackson out for the starting job last year. But Hawkins made it very clear to White he was going to get benched to make room for Cody in his senior year. Nepotism!"

what objective measure is that? Because size doesn't have an objective correlation to QB ability.

the rest of it is pure drivel. I'm beggining to think WhosYourDaddy is actually Brian White, because otherwise this is pure speculation. Actually- it's not even speculation, it's just a wish.

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on September 27, 2007 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sure size makes a difference in the QB position! First, it often means a stronger arm, it's physics. Second, it allows the QB to see over the line. Third, it inspires confidence in the other players when they see a QB who is an athlete and who could also play their positions.
Fourth, all of the best QB's are now at least 6'4" as are TE's, etc.

Maybe we shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel and just go with conventional thinking on this - since all other coaches want big QB's we might want to try it and see if it works.

Posted by dabuffs50 on September 27, 2007 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whosyourdaddy/2ndBuff/DrTom -- The question is, why do you spend every day on this website talking about a team you don't even like?

Posted by bufffan8 on September 27, 2007 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahh. a conspiracy theory comes out now. Let me get this straight. Last year Hawk purposely starts BJax knowing he will not be successful and knowing that this move will cause White to quit thus clearing the way for his son to start? Is that the theory whosyour? I guess Helfrich called the plays that he knew BJax couldn't run so he looked even worse which would further solidify Cody's future. And the scholarships for Nelson anmd Ballenger were solely so everyone would think it was a fair competition. And there is another QB on the grassy knoll. The CIA planned the 9/11 attacks too right?

Posted by mjs74 on September 28, 2007 at 1:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Buffs will destroy the Sooners this weekend.They have not played anyone this year and they are way overated...Get ready Sooners we are going to Stampede your butts.Go Buffs!!!!

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