Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go to the PAC 10 and this diehard fan will die.
The "golden glow" is all tarnish. SoCal has become a dsgusting anthill and the rest of the state isnt far behind.
Unfortunately we dont have to go California, because California has gotten so bad they are coming here. I live on the west slope and it is frightening the number of new California neighbors I have. Most of these people are disconnected with reality and are completely self centered.
A bugeater looks beautiful by comparison.
Hawkins is just going to have to develop recruiting connections in Texas. It aint that hard to do. Texans have appreciated, long before californians, our outdoor recreation and climate.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

one more rebuke to Neil Wolk, who can take his sorry asss to California
I took my kid out there a few times during his highschool years for athletic tournaments. I would much rather be in Ames, Stillwater and Lincoln. If you want bright lights and show biz, Austin kicks the living crap out of anything in California

Posted by rnorthro14 on July 12, 2007 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guarantee there would be better attendance at away games if CU moved to the PAC 10.

Barring a move, CU should play at least one PAC 10 opponent every year during the pre-conference portion of the schedule.

Extrapoint's preferences notwithstanding, most CU alums would rather make the trek to Palo Alto, CA than Ames, Iowa.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe I should start rooting for Iowa State

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

when did football become a wine and cheese event?
I am proud of my degree and the academic standards at CU but maybe what you Stanford dudes should do is form an entirely new conference with them, Northwestern, Vandy and Duke....or better yet create an Ivy league east and west.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whats more important here??? football? or "styling"
in Stanford?
I'm afraid of the answer
This attitude comes from the same crowd that makes it difficult to fill our own stadium.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

looks like I'm going to have to buy a drawerfull of argyle socks and start wearing my sweaters on my back with the sleeves folded around my neck.

"oh I'm dreadfully sorry ol chap. I cant make the OU game this year...I have a tee time at Castle Pines"

Posted by oz_in_cali on July 12, 2007 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Easy there, extrapoint. Stop being one of those nasty California bashing natives that makes sweeping generalizations based on one or two visits to L.A. You are begining to sound as reasonable as Dr. Tom. I agree that the migration from California to Colorado is a little scary, and that a lot of those people are as you say "disconnected and completely self centered" (good riddance, I say - sorry that you are stuck with them). But to bash California as a whole is crazy. The truth is that the reason those people move to Colorado in the first place is that its so much like California (the major differences being the coast, the winter weather and cost of living).

I happen to be one of the people who have made the opposite move, and as much as I miss Colorado, I am really happy here. The weather is awesome, there is always something to do, for every one of the idiots you mention there is someone who is friendly and intelligent, I could go on and on but that isn't why I am posting.

I am posting because, while it would be nice to get to see the Buffs on a regular basis without having to make an annual trip to Boulder, I agree with your point of view. Colorado in the Pac-10 is a bad idea. The Buffs belong where they are. CU can insure trips to the west coast by scheduling a west coast opponnent during non-conference play. I honestly don't see any recruiting advantage CU would gain by moving to the Pac-10, because no matter how you slice it, USC and UCLA rule out here. Besides that the allure of playing close to home in the Pac-10 is offset by the fact that 1) the Big 12 is just a better conference. Period. and 2) regularly playing in the mountain and central time zones is better for national exposure, overall.

Besides, CU has not built its reputation by running from a fight, but rather from playing tough opponents year in and year out (unlike certain schools (we all know who they are) who give credit for athletics and play patsies in non-conference). We have been down lately, but that will change. Besides, the fact that CU can maintain high academic standards and play a conference schedule as tough as what we play in the Big 12 actually distinguishes CU as something other than your typical football factory (why do you think so many idiots from other Big 12 schools post on the board even when we are down - personally its something I relish, so keep 'um coming Dr. Tom, buffwinkle or whoever you are today).

CU is an original Big 8 school who belongs where it is. If someone should have to leave, it should be a SWC latecomer.

GO BUFFS! GO BIG 12!

Posted by bobcz on July 12, 2007 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with extrapoint - don't Californicate Colorado. It is dis-heartening to see this invasion of Californians.

Posted by clesquibel on July 12, 2007 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ladies and Gents:

There are two things that create tradition and success in college athletics, particularly college football.

1. Talent Base and Recruits
2. Alumni

I am as traditional as anyone, with my pops and I owning season tix since 1983...Can anyone say Steve Vogel to Loy Alexander on a fade route? I was there for the Big 8 days and to this day I will not wear red nor will my infant son. All that being said, I would throw tradition out the window in a nanosecond to join the Pac 10.

Neill hit the right reasons ---- academics, alumni and recruiting. And for all of you anti-Californians let me tell you something: My first job out of college was in San Francisco and the alumni events were Off the Chain in terms of attendance, spirit, etc..There are a number of bars in the Bay Area loaded with Buff fans on Saturdays and they cheer louder and longer than any in downtown Denver. Don't forget that when fans buy tickets to road games, that turns into some revenue for the athletic department. We would have thousands in attendance at the Rose Bowl, Sun Devil Stadium, the Coliseum. The contingent at the Coliseum in 2000 (I was there) and again at the Rose Bowl in 2002 (I was there), I promise, was larger than any turnout at a road Big XII game in the past 10 years.

It makes so much more sense. Could you imagine the sunshine boys of SC and UCLA coming to Boulder to play on a blustery cold autumn afternoon in November? We would have an advantage on the field. I have always felt that our school has more in common with UW, Cal, Oregon and Arizona than it does that JUCO in Manhattan called Kansas State along with Nebraska.

BTW, has anyone looked into the admission requirements for those schools. I work in Higher Ed for a living and I know all you need is a pulse to be admitted to one of those schools. Just the facts, friends.

CU in the Pac-10 is the right fit. Anyone who says or thinks otherwise is a schmuck.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 9:30 a.m.

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Posted by CUyellowHat on July 12, 2007 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For the record, the Pac-10 and Big 10 (who added Penn State about 10 years ago) are the only BCS conferences who haven't made major changes in the past 15 years, so conference tradition barely exist anymore.

I like CU in the big 12, but for the record, for someone who has lived in the bay area and now lives in Austin, Gamedays in SF were almost as good as the real thing in Boulder. CU fans would take over the bar, get routy, and hold our rep, even through a 2-10 season.

Scheduling one west coast game a season is a must, as well as an east coast game. CU fans are well traveled people and are all over this country. Unlike some of our conference rivals, we are not afraid to leave the state we are born in. We should try and do our best to travel to our alumni, and in return we will travel to them. I'm headed to Waco on Oct 6th and Lubbock at the end of October, I hear they are both beautiful.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dear Mr sunshine
love your token of "tradition"
I go back to Bobby Anderson and the late 60's
I got thrown out of the Catacombs by Monte Huber. He was a gentleman about it. My ex was a waitress there and she didnt like me hanging around with my new girl friend.

Why dont we just auction off the campus and use the money for a maybe 1 percent downpayment on another location near Belair? ....just to please you guys out there in lala land. We could ditch Ralphie and call ourselves the SoCal sea urchins.

Hawkins already has a pipeline to Cal recruits and I have a feeling the future will see a lot more willing to leave.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PS
I lived the entire year of 1975 in SF. Lots of activities etc but day to day life was a total drag. Football was big but only because of Chuck Muncie.
My only solace was a bluegrass bar on Lombard.
I got so homesick I quit one hell of a job to return to the great divide.
Cal has absolutely nothing in common with Colorado

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It was unbelievable how provincial the media was in SF. Getting any sports coverage past Walnut Creek was impossible

Posted by CUyellowHat on July 12, 2007 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Extrapoint, are you one of those John Elway is God people?

Posted by NCBUFF on July 12, 2007 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a Buff fan & alumn living in N. Carolina but that doesn't mean I think they should join the ACC!

Alumni base is obviously important, but tradition is equally important as well. The Buffs should stay in the Big 12 and then Bohn should schedule more home & homes with Pac-10 competition.

Although a game now & then with the ACC for us self-centered East Coasters would be nice too. :)

GO BUFFS!!!

Posted by ncbuff90 on July 12, 2007 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NCBuff,

Where are you in NC? I, too, live in NC and am eagerly anticipating the game at UNC in 2010. If you live in Triangle area, come to the watch parties in the Fall.

I think CU should stay in the Big XII but should play at least one west coast team a year and an SEC or ACC team a year as well.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CUyellowhat
you are kidding.... right? Where did John Elway go to school? (Nice, if weak try, if that was a trick question)
I wouldnt give a ratsasss if Pro football disappeared....or the NBA for that matter
Give me the college game, everytime

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as long as we are talking about John Elway, He could have been even greater if he hadnt wasted the first half of his career in Reeve's Watson-like offense.
(I will watch a Bronco game now and then when I cant go fishing)

Posted by f8toblack on July 12, 2007 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ncbuff90: hate to bring the bad news, but the UNC series has been canceled (by UNC) and we've replaced them with West Virginia.

Posted by AgouraBuff on July 12, 2007 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a question Buff fans: Are the Buffs better off since becoming a member of the Big 12? Why should CU stay in the Big 12? As Neil said tradition flew out the window when the Big 8 became the Big 12. The TX recruiting pipeline is officially dried up. They haven't pulled in a big time Lone Star recruit in a decade (I believe the last Parade AA from TX was Andre Gurode). If CU fans are ok playing second fiddle to Texas and Oklahoma for the next century, that's their prerogative. The Pac 10 is one NFL hiring of Pete Carroll away from being winnable year in, year out. Parlay that into road trips to the best towns in the country (Scottsdale/Tempe, Tuscon, Seattle, Berkeley/San Francisco, Westwood/LA, Eugene), and I'm sold. Do it if they offer again, Colorado!!!!

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all you and Wolk are wrong. Tradition has not been thrown out the window because of the Big 8 turning into the Big 12. All the original teams are still here and the addition of "first fiddle" Texas handed USC their last rose bowl loss.

The Texas pipeline has dried up. So reconnect it. We went 2 and 10 last year...does that mean give up on football too? Changing locations aint gonna automatocally cure your troubles. Ask all the new Californians in CO and half the population in Colorado Springs.

Once again it the real agenda is for you cute hip pretty boys who want to wallow in the cute hip pretty boy west coast destinations which come before the game itself in your priorities.

Do yourself and real CU fans a favor, If you havent moved out there already, do so and start buying USC/UCLA etc season tickets. Then you can really be part of that swingin scene.

Posted by AgouraBuff on July 12, 2007 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

extrapoint,

your comments are garbage.

AgouraBuff

P.S. You sound like someone who missed his calling. You should have attended CSU with all the other farm boys. In case you are unaware, Colorado has THE HIGHEST % of out of state students of any state University in the country. I don't get how you survived in Boulder. You take the cake as Xenophobe of the Year.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 12, 2007 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Pac-10 has rivalries down the board. They should invite both CU and CSU to the mix. Twelve schools, split into divisions, add conference game and additional multi mil payoff, great setup.
The west has tons of people with ties to this state. Attendance at every away game but especially the Rose Bowl and Colisseum would blow away current numbers.
We could still play CSU first weekend at Invesco every year for an early firstplace conference lead. Hows that opening College Football to the nation?

Posted by BUFFPRIDE98 on July 12, 2007 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with buffalo flyer but would add that we can have the best of both worlds. There's no need to choose. The Pac 10 should invite both CU and CSU and then CU can schedule NU as a non-conference game each year to keep the rivalry going. Since we are never one to back off a tough schedule, some years CU can even sprinkle in OU or Texas just to keep with old tradition. And there's no reason why we can't play these towards the end of the season either. Look at Florida vs FSU vs Miami. They keep the rivalries going despite different conferences. If we're creative about it we can get all of the postives of the Pac-10 and get rid of all of the negatives of the Big 12.

Posted by extrapoint on July 12, 2007 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is extremely amusing
point by point rebuttals and no coherent response other than "schmuck" and "garbage"
I want to mantain tradition and I'm a xenophobe.
Arrogant out of state students want to come to Boulder and then drag it home with them.
You all have been exposed for the very elitist jerks other school's posters complain about on this board.
How did I survive in Boulder? How did you survive anywhere outside a fern bar? down at the Broken Drum we would have used you for the disc on the shuffleboard table.

Posted by MarquetteBuff on July 12, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CU has one thing in common with the PAC-10, the weak, only show up when they're in the top 25 fanbases.

The argument that our fans are more likely to travel to the west coast makes me laugh. First, Buff fans don't travel well anywhere. They're lucky to get people to drive from Denver to Boulder. Second, Buff fans are more likely to travel in a conference that has 7 schools within a day's drive than a conference where every team is a plane trip and an expensive hotel room away.

Stay in the Big XII Buffs.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 13, 2007 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tradition went out the window when the Big-8 split up.
If the Buffs move to the Pac-10, there's one thng you can bank on. NU will NEVER schedule us again!

Posted by LBCBuff on July 13, 2007 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The only valid argument Woelk makes is the academics - it's tough the compete against the Bugeaters and the Big 12 South with CU's academics (I'm going to throw up if Gates doesn't play this fall). But CU would be the forgotten stepchild with zero say in the Pac-10, and there are no rivalries for the Buffs there. The tradition argument is idiodic - the Big 12 North still keeps most of the old Big 8 rivalries and I'll take those idiotics from Lincoln over any team in the Pac-10. Schedule one Pac-10 game every year and be done-I've seen the Buffs play at USC, Stanford and Seattle-great trips, but the Buffs in the Pac-10 would be wrong. Hawkins will fix the Texas and California pipelines-it's a little tough when you're competing with Mack Brown and Pete Carroll, probably the best 2 recruiters in the country, but it'll get done. See you all in Tempe!

Posted by AgouraBuff on July 13, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Point by point rebuttals? Like what?

"Once again it the real agenda is for you cute hip pretty boys who want to wallow in the cute hip pretty boy west coast destinations which come before the game itself in your priorities."

That sounds like an ad hominin attack to me, not a rebuttal. That's why I said your comments are garbage. And what do you reply with? Spewing more garbage that you would use me as a record needle. I have a hard time believing you went to CU, or any college for that matter. Your arguments are crafted like a eight year old brat who had his woobie taken from him.

Posted by oz_in_cali on July 13, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While I am in the camp that feels that CU should stay in the Big 12, where they belong. I suggest that extrapoint take a little Xanax or have a whiskey (better yet why not have both). You are way too pissed about this, buddy. It is never going to happen anyway. The truth is that the out-of-staters (not just people from California, but Hawaiians and people from back east as well) that you hate so much bring a lot of money into the university (I would dare to say more than you anti-California natives, and certainly more than your boy Gov. Owens' government). Furthermore, CU would not be the great university it is today if it were not for out-of-state dollars. Without those out-of-state dollars CU would be just be another Iowa State. I hate to say it, but the truth is the truth no matter how much anyone angrily denies it.

Posted by oz_in_cali on July 13, 2007 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh yeah, and another thing, the fan base out here in the O.C. is way stronger and way more loyal to CU than anything I have seen in Colorado. You people could stand to learn a thing or to about fan loyalty from your west coast brethren.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 13, 2007 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you can say that again OZ, no need to worry about how many buffs will travel to LA when there is already a massive contingent living there. great enthusiasm from the out-of-staters,
Not only that but you would sell a ton of tickets to UCLA fans whenever the Buffs are playin USC and vice versa.
The Big-12 is a great conference, but not the greatest fit for CU. Grab CSU by the horns and head west!

Posted by extrapoint on July 13, 2007 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tradition is gone in your wannabe minds only.
you talk about 8 year olds. You guys are the spoiled brats. Just like most Californians you want your cake and eat it too.
You said miving to Cal would solve all the pronlems.
Not logical or practical. You solve problems at the source. If the Txas pipeline is broken you fix it. you dont run off soewhere else and automatically expect a new pipeline.
Point by point my man(?)
you may not be 8 years old but you sound like a trust funder that never had to work for anything in his life.....speaking volumes about your inability to understand or appreciate tradition.

Posted by AgouraBuff on July 13, 2007 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"you sound like a trust funder that never had to work for anything in his life"

You can gauge that from two internet posts? Wow. You have a gift. I've read a lot of irritating CU bloggers in my time, but you take the cake.

Posted by extrapoint on July 13, 2007 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

got me pegged though dont ya? choke on your own hypocrisy

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 13, 2007 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tradition Shmadition, I'd rather be winning titles. Thats the tradition you create
The Texas Pipeline isn't broke, but its got so many other schools tappin it that it just aint flowing texas kids want to stay in tx, improve your existing California recruiting by being in the Pac-10

Posted by BigBuff on July 14, 2007 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh, I don't know if you are all hicks or not but it would RULE playing in the Pac 10. The football is better, the cities are better, the academics are better, I mean come on. I was rooting for the change in '93 and continue to today. Plus, we don't get players from Texas anymore. It would help the program, the fans, and the status of the university.

GO BUFFS!

Posted by extrapoint on July 14, 2007 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would rather be a hick than a pretentious snot.

the football is NOT better
The only academics I care about are the ones at CU
"The cities are better" which, once again is exposed as the only true motivation for all this moving talk. A true Coloradoan knows it aint about the cities.

You guys are the hicks. You still have this okie dustbowl mentality. Everything is better in California (gag) That being the case why are they all leaving in droves?

Posted by BigBuff on July 14, 2007 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, they're "leaving in droves". Cali has the highest number of CU alumni outside of Colorado. Which way are they "leaving" clown? Also, to say that people in Cali are pretentious snots - you don't get out much do you?

Posted by extrapoint on July 14, 2007 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I said I would rather be a hick than a pretentious snot. I called all you californians hicks.
Money doesnt do much for the attention span, does it?
But I understand. If you have it you want to be some place you can spend it. Fine. Just leave Colorado in Colorado and quit trying to drag it home.

Posted by extrapoint on July 14, 2007 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PS
it sounds like all you guys came to our little slice of heaven from California in the first place
"Clown" (did i hit a nerve? So far no one has denied their uppityness" around here.)

Posted by Black_Rob on July 14, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The only reason I'd like to see CU in the PAC 10 is so I could see the Buffs play more. I've never been much of a PAC 10 fan, and will root for every Big 12 team playing them (yes, even NU). I guess I'm just homesick.

Posted by extrapoint on July 14, 2007 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Take pleasure in knowing you live in the very best city on the Westcoast, Seattlebuff. All these other posters from Frisco are jealous. Inspite of the hermit hick accusations flying around, I have spent plenty of time in that part of the world and I will admit most of my predjudices and disdain originate from my many experiences in SoCal. Oz_in_Cali is probablty correct in that there are plent of friendly, intelligent people out there but they are sure difficult to locate around LA.....which incidently is the home of USC and UCLA. (gag)
Hey, I wouldnt mind if the CU volleyball team competed in the PAC 10. Volleyball is one of the few traditions out there. As far as football goes the tradition is alive and strong within the Big 12 and to ditch it because the "cities are better" is ludicrous. You guys got the weather, the lattes, the beach and all those other reat things you like to mention. Leave the football where it belongs.

Posted by big12fletch on July 15, 2007 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A program's strength is reflected in its Conference stability. Just look at TCU, a sleezy bed-hopping shack job for three different conferences since it left the SWC. Decent football program, but a school with no identity or character - except that of being unhappy wherever it is. A fan base that doesn't recognize or appreciate a league game from a non-conference game.
The SWC fell apart because of corruption on a grand scale which escalated when one school wouldn't go down without blowing the whistle another. Soon enough, every school was pulling switch-blades on one another.
CU fans should be careful what they wish for, and remember how they felt about the 4 SWC schools in 1996. Pac-10 fans will feel the same way about CU - That they were fine without you and will always treat you as the bastard step-child outsider; the laughing-stock who couldn't keep from staring at itself in the mirror and ran to Big 12 divorce court.

Posted by extrapoint on July 15, 2007 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"staring at itself in the mirror" Very well put and appropriate......and probably while wearing 300 dollar sunglasses.
I doubt if it will instigate any intraspection by a couple of the guys above.
they will just call you a clown.

Posted by travis on July 16, 2007 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just threw up in my mouth! I am disgusted at the thought of moving to the PAC-10. Why do we even talk about this junk?

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 16, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HA listen to the hypocrisy
Extrapoint will take the bright lights of Austin any day? I thought you weren't concerned about cities? and are you really comparing some little college town in Texas to the entertainment capital of the world? you really must be a hick.
So here we are with the snakes of the SWC now controlling the big-12. The texas contingent has already wrested control of this conference from the traditional powers, Nebraskans are too blinded to see it, Oklahomans think they are going to remain competitive. I guarantee you the texas schools in this conference don't have the rosiest view of colorado. And for that matter who cares what the other pac-10 schools think of us? start beating them soundly and winning titles and they will respect you, something far more valuable which some of you will never understand

Posted by oz_in_cali on July 16, 2007 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This discussion typifies the problem among CU fans. People cannot have a simple discussion without name calling and insults. (By the way extrapoint, what do you care whether or not I am uppity or not? It's not like I am your friend or your neighbor. The reason nobody is denying their uppityness, is that it isn't any of your business). We would all do well to put the situation into perspective and not bring our petty biases into the discussion. Last I checked, this is America (California just as much as Colorado) where we are allowed to disagree. It would be nice to see people have the decency and moral fiber it takes to respect each others views (I said respect, not agree with) with out resorting to outrage and/or name calling. By acting like this, we give Dr. Tom aka Buffwinkle aka whatever he chooses today (extrapoint?), and his ilk validity in their ridicule. Personally I am disgusted by where this dicussion has gone and will leave this post as my final word on the matter.
GO BUFFS!

Posted by extrapoint on July 16, 2007 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

entertaiment capital of the world?
That is in the eye of the beholder.
I consider Colorado the entertainment capital of the world.
Your idea of entertainment is parking your but in a dark room for 3 hours and fantasize about some overpaid drug addicted movie star or head down to the Whiskey afterwards thinking you will get the chance to rub elbows with them personally?
Or maybe it is emptying your wallet for a day of Disney overcroweded artificial schlock. Providing you can get there on the freeway before it closes. And speaking of artificial you are so much closer to Vegas.

Next time try not to spin my statements. I said if YOU were looking for entertainment Austin was better, real, traditional and the people are twice as sincere.
Just call me a hick

Posted by extrapoint on July 16, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry oz
I get irritated when someone who doesnt care about tradition tells me it is gone when it isnt.
They want CU to come out there just because they chose to live there....a little self centered. Most of these people have the money to fly to a game anywhere in the country but feel it is beneath them to go to Ames Iowa.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 16, 2007 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tell me about tradition, did you wail and cry back in 1996 when the Big-8 died? or did you roll over while Texas sold you a bill of goods and called it "your conference"
No one wants to debate the center of power in the Big-12. The former "snakes" from the SWC know full well that every blue chip texas baller is going to spend his "higher education" at
Texas
Texas AM
Baylor
Texas Tech
UTEP
TCU
etc etc etc
We really ought to focus on whats best for CU (and CSU) not the Big-4 errrr I mean Big-12

Posted by extrapoint on July 16, 2007 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what a load
all the original teams are still there. The big 8 is the big 12.
what is the difference between texas in the big 12 and usc in the pac 10? Just that Texas took the national champoinship away from them. Got a real big kick out of watching Bush running out of bounds to avoid a hit or an extra couple of yards all night long.
Your statement about every blue chipper going to Baylor, UTEP, Tech and even A&M is so stupid its unbelievable.
post again when you have a real argument.

Posted by big12fletch on July 16, 2007 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Recently I was in Missouri, when many Mizzou fans were high on the horse for bolting for the Big 10. The reasons: geographical, prestige, image, unhappy with status quo. Everything I’m reading above me from CU fans. The root of the argument for MU fans - based largely out of St.Louis from an alumni base on the border of the Big 12 - was being star-struck by the Big 10 in a knee-jerk, short-sighted pout because their football team sucked and their basketball team not only stunk but was the subject of NCAA ridicule. Not to mention, furious and humbled that one of the dreaded SWC-4 came in and won a national championship in the Big 12. They looked like a bunch of thumb-sucking imbeciles.
What I see from CU is a football team that finally got hushed at home by Baylor and is coming off its own NCAA embarrassment, and a basketball program that is back to Square 1 with a new coach. Ego-shattered Buff fans have thumbs firmly in their mouths and are putting Mizzou’s fans to shame, looking for a new playground with fewer bullies.
One fan wrote that respect will come when CU starts beating teams soundly and winning titles. I agree, and think the Buffs should start doing that in the Big 12 before they start peeking over the fence for greener grass. In CU’s last three Big 12 Championship game appearances, the South Division team played the role of a dog and the Buffs played the role of a fire hydrant.
And for chrissakes, stop characterizing the Pac 10 by USC, UCLA and Stanford alone. Pullman, Washington and Corvallis, Oregon in July are a far bigger armpit than Manhattan or Ames on a frigid day in January.

Posted by fwbuff on July 16, 2007 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can't just give up recruiting in Texas because it hasn't gone well lately. For the Buffs to be successful, they need to recruit well in CA, recruit well in TX, and lock down their own state. Then pick up a few other commits here and there where you can. Are you gonna outdo UT or USC in their own state? Of course not. But the quantity of talent in these states is immense, there is enough to go around.

Here in Texas, UT and OU are the kingpins in recruiting. A&M could join them if they ever got their act together. But being Aggies and all, that's not likely to happen. UT and OU have their fill and still elite programs from around the country (USC, LSU, Florida, etc.) stock their teams with elite prospects from Texas. CU was once one of those national powers getting kids from here and could be again. Hawkins and his staff need to find someone with the connections and the charm to make it happen.

Being in the Big 12 is a great selling point because these kids can return to play in their home state and their families can see many of the other games on TV. That's a draw for kids from Texas, not as Woelk says, "What better way to get a kid out of Texas than to promise him at least a couple of annual trips to California?"

There's no need to abandon our conference rivalries for the not so greener pastures of the Pac-10. The only former SWC school doing anything in the conference is UT. A&M is floundering. Leach has taken Tech as far as they're gonna go. And Baylor is a joke. You're telling me we can't compete in this conference? Don't be so defeatist, people.

Posted by extrapoint on July 16, 2007 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the people in UTEP still think a blue chipper is the winner of a poker game.

I think Baylor actually got one or 2 in the last year.

Tech is one of those teams "full of blue chippers" that fell to the 2 and 10 Buffs.

A&M does get a few but their talent is wasted there. A&M is perennially the most overrated team in the country.

If a kid wanted a couple games in CAL, Wolk, he would probably just go to school there.

BTW
dont you people know that running away from your problems is the best way to solve them?
And you can characterize the PAC 10 by Stanford alone. I would rather be in Corvallis and Pullman than LA. And we all know how safe it is to get out of your car right after you leave Berkely...in either direction.

Posted by buffalo_flyer on July 17, 2007 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Look at the rosters, numbers of texas kids per squad
Texas Tech - 139 of 158
Baylor - 113 of 142
A&M - 150 of 170
Texas - 114 of 126
Houston - 118 of 135
TCU - 116 of 136
The SWC knew they didn't have to do anything but keep Texas kids at home, and with their football culture, that is not hard to do. California has more recruits than texas and they aren't brain washed into staying in state to play for state pride (walk past a map with someone from TX and they will point out their state to you every time)
So be happy that Texas beat someone in the national title game. Nothing better to ensure that every Texas blue chipper signs up for the Longhorns. Keep thinking that Texas A&M won't be a powerhouse when they field more Texas kids than our entire squad (170 players?!?!). Forget that the hapless Baylor Bearcubs came into Boulder and beat us on Homecoming weekend, must have been a fluke.
Play in the Pac-10 and recruiting California will be way easier. Play in any conference in the country and you're still fighting over Texas scraps. Play in the Big-12 and you just don't have a level playing field anymore.

Posted by extrapoint on July 17, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so lets see
if you add up all your numbers there are 750 "blue chippers" in Texas......and UT has unlimited number of scholarships...and of course no one else plays football outside of California and Texas.
Love to focus those blinders when you need to prop up a weak argument.
Hawkins has expanded recruiting from Barnett's days to Illinois, Florida (a few players there, probably more good ones than Cal) Pennsylvania and on and on. He already has a decent pipeline to Cal. He probably does better than the NW "state colleges" and no one is going to steal very many of the "blue chippers away form USC/UCLA and now Berkeely. 2 or 3 blue chippers from TX is all that we really need, especially if we can corner the best in our own state. Winning will take care of that.
We dont need to run away from or problems just to make it more convenient an "tasteful" for you to go to the games