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BOULDER, Colo. -
Taking the next step in Boulder requires winning.
The Colorado football program has probably gone as far as it's going to go in recruiting -- it actually took a step back this year -- on the back of Dan Hawkins' hard work and gregarious personality. Even the coach acknowledged Wednesday during his press conference announcing the 2009 recruiting class that to attract the next level of recruit on a more consistent basis, the Buffs must produce better results on the field beginning next fall.
"Definitely a little bit. No question about that," Hawkins said when asked how three consecutive losing seasons impact the job of adding talent to the program. "I really think we're poised to have a breakout year. I'm really excited when we do break that plane and we kind of get going, then I think you're going to see it, you know, it gets easier in a sense."
National signing day came and went with CU landing a decent number of three and four-star recruitsamong its 19-member class, especially if one first considers the past three seasons have ended with 2-10, 6-7 and 5-7 records. CU even landed a five-star player for the third year in a row in Legacy High School defensive end Nick Kasa.
Hawkins and his staff are consistently mentioned among the favorites of plenty of highly ranked players these days. Last year coming off a loss in a bowl game, enough of those players stuck with the Buffs because the perception was that the program was heading in the right direction after the debacle of 2006.
CU went 5-7 this season and it played a part in fewer star players choosing black and gold this time around. Those choices were reflected in overall class rankings Wednesday night by the two major recruiting services. Scout.com ranked the 2009 class No. 59 nationally. Rivals.com ranked it No. 48 falling from No. 15 in 2008.
Hawkins doesn't care much what the recruiting services have to say. He loves the players he is bringing to Boulder beginning in June when freshmen arrive and enroll in summer classes to get a head start on academics and accustomed to campus. Fourteen of those players will come from nine other states. Five are in-state prospects.
"I probably had more great times and great interaction and great fellowship in the homes of some of these kids than I've had in a long time," Hawkins said.
Hawkins said some members of this class will definitely make an immediate impact. He refrained from naming names in an effort to not heap pressure on the young men, but some candidates are obvious because they're joining a program in need of help at their positions.
The most likely recruits to earn playing time in 2009 are four defensive linemen led by Kasa, who was ranked the No. 4 defensive end in the country. Defensive tackles Edward Nuckols and Nate Bonsu and defensive end Forrest West complete a foursome that could wreak havoc in the Big 12 in the future.
Three wide receivers also joined the program Wednesday and all three could earn playing time quickly. Junior college transfer Andre Simmons will be expected to play if he qualifies academically. Freshmen Jarrod Darden and Terdema Ussery each possess the size and athleticism to compete right away.
Hawkins said he and his assistants worked hard to find the right type of players and personalities to add to the roster while filling needs. They found players from winning programs who were leaders and team captains and also performed well in the classroom.
It's clear CU coaches also sought to give themselves options while working with a small class size for the second year in a row. Hawkins said he has two scholarships remaining that he could choose to use before training camp in August. "I think it's a very athletic class," Hawkins said. "A lot of guys in here could play a number of positions, can run, jump, catch, throw, offense, defense. And I think that's really awesome."
For complete bios of all 19 signees click here.
Good class Coach Hawkins and staff, thanks for your hard work, especially the guys that have stuck with the program through thick and thin - Cabral, Hagan, etc. Bleed Black & Gold!!!
BUFFamily
2/5/2009 12:25:49 AM
Good Morning all you young buffalo.
You old ones too.
Hawk = Ten wins and no excuses.
Bravado? Maybe, maybe not. Knowing what has been put together the last three years? Probably.
77 days until the spring game.....
40k no excuses
and there better be 15k students in attendance....
What you doing Bohn/Plati to make this happen...I haven't heard a word about it. Last year you waited until a week before to start the process. Losers..... Do you guys need some marketing help? Based on attendance at your games (fb/bb) you do...
Plati, Montana says you are a nice guy...maybe it's time for a change? This ain't 1985 anymore..
The kids work out all year round..you need to get the fans involved all year round...
This ain't intramurals brother...
Uh Oh a cranky buffalo
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 5:58:34 AM
This old buffalo will make the trek to the Spring game. Might look you up, VK.
For a long time I've been saying, "wait 'til next year", but I'm excited about next fall. A few less injuries, a kicker that can make field goals, more experience on the O-line and who knows, maybe 10 and 0. What's the point in having goals if you don't stretch yourself?
I like the fact that Hawk is trying to recruit guys that are leaders as well as athletes, coupled with being good students. Remember Fairbanks? He recruited some great athletes but they couldn't spell C A T.
See you guys at the Spring game.
oldbuffer
2/5/2009 6:30:43 AM
Check out ESPNU video on cubuffs.com about CU signing day.
jakeh_77@hotmail.com
2/5/2009 7:28:12 AM
"The Colorado football program has probably gone as far as it's going to go in recruiting"
We really can't do any better than this guy for reporting Colorado football?
zonabuff
2/5/2009 8:07:18 AM
Not only does Hawk need to start winning to attract recruits, I would think he needs to win for job security. This year, he has essentially all players he recruited, not GB retreads. If they can't win, guess whose fault it is.
Yes, too much can be made of recruit class rankings, but those arguments tend to be made by people and places that rank low--and lose a lot. I doubt if they're dissing the rankings in Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, Columbus, etc. today.
C'mon Hawk, it's time to put up or....
dsnow622@aol.com
2/5/2009 8:08:51 AM
Good class. Doesn't have the splash last year did, but it fills needs, D-Line and Receiver. Once you get past 15 or 20 in the recruit rankings it becomes a whole lot more subjective and about quantity of recruits. Hawkins is better at mining 2 and 3 stars than most from his BSU days. Wasn't Emory Blake a 3 star when we were recruiting him? Now that he signed with Auburn they have him as a 4 star?
VK, you're in Boulder right? Can you be Simmons' tutor so he can qualify? We need that 6'3" Buffalo!
It is time to win. No excuses.
LBCBuff
2/5/2009 8:40:38 AM
lbc
Yup in Boulder.
Tutor? Isn't that some style of trailer found in the flatlands?
A Tutor (two-door) model.
Door in the front for easy entrance when sneaking in...door in the back for quick exit when the relatives show up...
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 8:54:27 AM
a kyle article
you just need to move on with helfrich
http://www.buffzone.com/blogs/buffzone-sports/2009/feb/05/sirles/
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 9:12:34 AM
Now now now don't bash Helfrich to much last year was just one of them years , new players filling for injured players and blah blah blah we all know how it went. We had our chances to win more games but fell short, life goes on. This year no excuses the offense is 3 years old and should be hitting the 400 yd per game mark. We have the talent in place now with even more talent coming in , so no more excuses. Lets just get it done and start with CSU by blowing the doors off .
afsco@hotmail.com
2/5/2009 9:32:13 AM
I hope CU is on the cusp of something bigger and better. I hope that last year was rough due to the really difficult schedule - lots of still young players - and tons of key injuries.
My hope is that CU is not as bad as last year's record indicates, and with a break or two this year - a better schedule - and more seasoned players, the Buffs might indeed turn a corner.
Remember last spring? By about this time last year we had several players arrested. By the way - whatever became of Kota? Did he drop out? Leave the team?
And then there were guys like Simmas who forgot to go to class. And guys like Itis and Major who got hurt before the season. Lets hope that does not happen again this year and we can get the ball rolling.
Go Buffs.
roamingbuff
2/5/2009 9:59:49 AM
I am hoping the injury bug that ravaged our team last year has moved onto the bug eater state of NU and make it , its permanent home. Just saw video of our recruits on cubuffs.com I believe when Gus Handler is done with football he should go into the WWE he was not only blocking guys but taking them down, running them out of bounds this dude has a mean streak.
afsco@hotmail.com
2/5/2009 10:16:47 AM
Hawk is exactly right - it doesn't matter how many stars the recruiting services give a kid! Afterall, Rivals had little Cody listed as a three-star recruit and we all now know Cody didn't deserve any stars.
WhosYourDaddy
2/5/2009 10:32:25 AM
whosyourdumby you are such a smart guy!! You should be working for the secret service you are such a brain!! Now go back to your trailer!
greeleybuff
2/5/2009 10:42:06 AM
Don't stress to much about Off.
Looked great against CSU, and started down hill after one injury after the other. 07 looked sharp
NO EXCUSES is the key, no more hanging on to how the team was left. Time to plug in the right guys and start rolling. We have the schedule to do it.
J Smith (Corn eater) to safety good size good tackler, anyone?
bradDaBUFF
2/5/2009 10:58:29 AM
Winning, that's the thing!
By George, maybe the Chickenhawk has stumbled onto a great secret. . .
Doc_Brinkley
2/5/2009 10:59:07 AM
I remember his first year at the beginning of the season hawk said we'd be in the thick of it at the end. He won 2 games.
I don't think we'll ever win with hawk at the helm. he is not a good game day coach. A lot of our games I feel like we're not prepared to play at all. Ultimatley we need to find a new coach.
GoBuffs07
2/5/2009 11:51:21 AM
Hawk-The honeymoon has been over for about two years. Get it together; pick a qb early, ditch the end around out of the gun and let the freshman kick. Otherwise you'll be back in potato country.
filthymcnastiehoustonbuff
2/5/2009 11:55:48 AM
Great video of Hawk.
When the wins come (and that happens 2009 with 9-10 wins) the classes will be consistently in the top 25.
I think many people fail to understand the damage this program incurred in 2002, 2003 and 2004 due to recruiting restrictions placed by the university. The cupboard was bare when Hawk came here and it has resulted in a longer turn around then most of us thought.
That has caused two problems: 1) Lack of upper class (jrs and srs) on the field and 2) rushing in young kids to play (which led to more injuries).
That's pretty much passed now (still thin at receiver and d-line experience), but beginning 2009 and beyond CU will be THE team in the Big 12 North and, in about three years, recruiting close to OU and UT levels. In six years, regularly fighting for Big 12 title.
Smart eyes can see where we were, where we have come to and where we are going.
BuffMan6236
2/5/2009 12:15:40 PM
To early to look at next year's recruiting needs? Naw:
Strictly a guess based off of the eligibility chart on Scout.
QB - Austin Hinder -How can we pass on trying to land the top player in the class who also happens to be a QB?
RB - We'll need at least one in this class to make sure there isn't too big of a gap.
WR-2 or 3 We got a good start, but will need a couple every year to keep the skill level high.
TE- 2 or 3 We graduate 4 next year. Plus we need the depth.
OL-3-4 Every class needs at least this many.
DL-3-4 Same as O-line. Every class should have this many.
LB- 3-4 Like TEs we lose a big group of LBs after next year. We need to start bringing them in again.
S- 2 We need the depth.
CB-2 This is the Big 12. Lots of top QBs and WRs so we need the CBs to play with them.
BuffTime
2/5/2009 12:32:09 PM
As I watched the press conference yesterday, I couldn't help but think to myself "Man, I wish Hawk would talk more about X's and O's and how these guys perform on the football field."
When asked to describe many of the recruits, he talked about how they're great people, how they're "huggers", about how they have great smiles-- And all of those intangibles matter, don't get me wrong... But c'mon Hawk, at the end of the day these guys are still football players, and that's what we want to hear about.
I know we can't have it all... And it's good that he places so much importance on the intangibles, because that's how you change the culture of a program. Now it's time to prove that he can translate high character to wins.
Buff_bronc_fan
2/5/2009 12:38:57 PM
Some of you guys that are right now before the ink has even dried on the LOI's calling again for Hawk's job really do amaze me. Give it a rest. I guess the national power that CU was 4 years ago is what you want (72 to 3 Big 12 championship game). My take on this class is that it will fulfill needs in some areas immediately and we will determine the quality down the road with the rest of the players. I live in Tucson and one hears the same unsubstantive crap down here. Realize it, get used to it and try just once to understand it!!! Unless you are OU and UT in the Big 12 and USC and now maybe UCLA in the Pac 10 this type of class is what most of the rest of the teams in conferences recruit. Win a few more games each year and you get a few more players with stars behind their names. Mike Stoops said it in today's Tucson paper and other coaches are saying the same thing all over the country, even including the OU's & USC's: "All those (ranking) stars go out the window after today, it's developing a star that counts". I think the present CU coaching staff is still capable of that. If not we will start over with another painful 4 or 5 year process after next years season with a new coach.
AZBuff
2/5/2009 1:08:27 PM
I must amend my last post. If God forbid we have to go through a coaching change after next year it might not be quite as painful as this rebuilding has become. The reason is that the cupboard would not be near as bare as when Hawk arrived. I don't think people realize how low this program was and how far it has come in 3 short years.
AZBuff
2/5/2009 1:16:04 PM
Good posts, AZ ...
I agree. Perhaps we are paying more attention to the recruits than we used to, or perhaps there is just more information available, but it certainly seems to me that the players being brought in now are going to be four year contributors to the program.
If we can avoid all of the injuries (and yes, suspensions), the Buffs' schedule in 2009 is more conducive for success. Breakthrough season? I believe it's very possible!
Go Buffs!
http://www.cuatthegame.com
montanabuff@hotmail.com
2/5/2009 1:36:36 PM
VK,
Does Colorado have a Walk-on program? Nebraska even gets walk-ons from out of state. You never know may find a diamond in the rough.
Nebraska has announced several walk-ons. The list:
Robert Barry, TE, 6-8, 220, Battle Creek
Brandon Chapek, OL, 6-5, 320, Wahoo (Neumann)
Tyson Clark, WR, 6-4, 185, Lincoln (East)
Nick Failla, WR, 5-10, 180, Omaha (Millard North)
Dwight Jones, OL, 6-4, 240, Gretna
Ron Kellogg, QB, 6-1, 210, Omaha (Westside)
Ty Kildow, WR, 5-7, 165, Omaha (Millard South)
Jake Long, TE, 6-4, 230, Elkhorn
Spencer Long, DE, 6-4, 250, Elkhorn
P.J. Mangieri, LS, 6-4, 245, Peoria, Ill.
Devin Paulsen, LB, 6-2, 210, Lincoln (Christian)
Oh ooh walking Buffs
Cornbred
2/5/2009 2:32:27 PM
The aplogists get just a few more months of excuses. Cupboard, shmuboard.
filthymcnastiehoustonbuff
2/5/2009 2:59:47 PM
Does the lack of depth explain the ISU loss two years ago? How about the loss to the worst team in the B12 A&M last year? How about being unprepared at the beginning of almost every game (Missouri comes to mind-that was embarassing)? None of that has to do with recruiting or depth-it is purely coaching. This is the year-put up or buy out the contract.
filthymcnastiehoustonbuff
2/5/2009 3:11:52 PM
bred of the corn
Yup we have walkons as well..It's where we got our kicker....walked all the way from Wyoming.
In reivewing your list above it looks like you are growing midgets in Omaha.
good squat tag guys/gals
Uh Oh cornbred thinking about the buffalo
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 3:24:07 PM
How much are you donating to the buy-out BIG MOUTH?
AZBuff
2/5/2009 3:24:36 PM
Hi Corny--
Glad the Huskers have such a nice walk-on program considering they have been widely considered to have had the most disappointing recruiting class. Looks like Bo ran out of magic after that 57 yd. field goal.
MDBuff
2/5/2009 3:25:10 PM
The buffs have an excellent chance this year to prove the faith in the Hawk. Soup, I liked his video press conference as well. Fine person indeed. Excellent thought process.
He has now had 4 years of his recruits. Although the first year this process was mainly influenced by the past vs the future.
And the 07 season was the first stepping stone. 2008 the distance to the next stone was too far and not enough "supplies" to continue the trip...
A pause, even a bit of a setback ensued.....That setback certainly had an impact on this recruiting class and I believe Hawk made the very best out of this situation.
This year is the next "long distance" stepping stone. It is assumed he has the "supplies" this year to overcome potential obstacles.
My issue always goes back to the Staff. Are they ready to "not play intramural ball?" They can ill afford ANY coaching errors as the buffs are still young and WILL make mistakes.
It is up to the coaching staff to "create the environment" to allow the young buffs to be successful.....There has to be "an umbrella and a net" environment. This is to protect them when they fall and cover them with the correct attitudes and thought processes focused on success.....
Can Helfrich define and implement an offense with and identity and attitude? Can Riddle provide the same for the Special teams?
QB needs to be picked in the spring...this waiting has not and will not work.....
Lets go buff coaches "buffalo up" and lets roll.
Uh Oh "Buffalo Up" young Buffalo
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 3:27:55 PM
I am a long way from calling for Hawkscalp but there are some disappointments.....this class looks to fill some big holes, no doubt! BUT, still leaves us thin on special teams, no elusive kick returner, not even 1 RB?, and only 19 commits? Just asking!
Don't buy this rated players don't make top teams; top teams get lots of rated players!Over time this is proven to work, sure, sometimes there are surprises that work.
Gotta agree with buff_bronc fan, we want great kids but make sure we have enough animals to strike fear into backs and receivers! This is Big 12 run-you-over football! Sorry this is long, guys!
jingalls60@yahoo.com
2/5/2009 3:30:11 PM
ALL
"not a good game day coach" posters
Hawk has consistantly had teams ready to play.
you look at 07 with experienced guys we beat OU ran over Tech, and came into a lot of games fired up.
Even this year we came in good. We put more presure on McCoy than anyone, we went into Neb hurting NO safeties, and gave them a run.
Gave pat White all he could handle, good come backs in Iowa and Eastern, and A&M if it wasn't for a freshman making a freshman mistake.
getting 9 points in your last 3 games is not being a good game day coach or prepared going in
With young guys it's hard to coach them past Big MO, as experience comes so comes the ability to play past adversity.
Hawk is a good game day coach, and if you go to a coaches clinic you will hear all the X's and O's you want.
PS he did talk about the recruits and their abilities.
Big12 in 09
bradDaBUFF
2/5/2009 3:50:58 PM
MD20/20INABROWNBAGBUFF
Still pissed about that 57 yarder? Oh well now you have a kicker. How do you figure most disappointing recruiting class? I guess you believe what S. Mandel says at SI? That would be a typical Buff, can't think for himself! Mandel is an idiot and you should know that. How do you figure a class that signed 20 recruits, ranked at 28 by rivals with 3.25 star average is disappointing? I suppose your happy with your class ranked at what (48 with a 2.84 star average). The only reason some other schools were ranked higher is because they signed more players (some up to 28). Also, what Mandel doesn't remember is yes Bo is a hot shot new coach coming off a bowl win, but Nebraska wasn't even ranked in the top 25 during or at the end of the season. We will see next year! And lay off the cheap wine it make you sound stupid.
Uh oh growing corn.
Cornbred
2/5/2009 3:52:13 PM
Easy AZ-when the time comes and Hawk is exposed I'll be in line. If he makes some changes on how he runs GAME DAY I will be the first one in his corner as well. Until that happens-remember that sales always has to get past accounting to close the deal.
filthymcnastiehoustonbuff
2/5/2009 3:53:37 PM
jin
You are correct...we need some mean kids, who are also good people and family guys....like Alfred Williams.....he and Khanvis kicked butt.
Return guy./.............Parker Orms....faster and more elusive and quicker, tougher and more of a football player than that funky little skier we had here..
on special teams what we have is a lack of coaching...Riddle is a WAC guy period....Hawk should lose him.
And ya know I just can't get past Helfrich...I just don't see the creativity, see the planning, see the strategy, see the game day adjustments.............................................Oh sorry I had my sun glasses on .....
Now it is much more clear....
Uh Oh spcecial teams is a Riddle Buffalo
I like this class a lot.
10 wins no excuses...this class helps that
in 2009 the buffalo will be fine
Buffalo Up
sounds better than
huskher up or............................
tung up
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 3:53:49 PM
VK,
If your referring to Ty Kildow when you say midget, than you better read a little more!
Kildow is 5-foot-7 and 175 pounds, but ran the 40 in 4.39 seconds, the fastest time by any player at NU's past summer camp. Kildow has earned Super State status as a split end in football and an outfielder in baseball. If he does get a shot to play at Nebraska and gets the ball in open field your DB's won't even see him.
Ht: 5-foot-7
Wt: 170 lbs
Forty: 4.4 secs
Bench max: 290 pounds
Squat max: 425 pounds
Vertical: 41 inches
Shuttle: 3.97 secs
GPA: 4.0
ACT: 25
Uh Oh a Worm Burner
Cornbred
2/5/2009 4:06:11 PM
now cornbred you're not the mean type like dahusker and the bald luvdahusker so don't let these little ol 48th ranked starless buffs get yur dander up.
You been a good boy on this site
Buffalo-Up
But bred I gotta ask ya............................. for you is it like "Cob-up?"
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 4:07:28 PM
cream of the bread
fast...even better in the squat tag in an asparagus patch game
You creamers have all the answers....
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 4:11:22 PM
Bred
sorry I missed him on the list..Lots to choose from
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=11&cfg=null&yr=2009&pid=-1&sspid=82&iRatingValue=-1&iGetJUCOFlag=-1&iCommitFlag=-1&iGroupbyPosition=0&toinid=-1&iInterestLevelId=-1&iOffer=-1&iRecruitVisitFlag=-1&OrderbyColumn=RatingValue
Okay now bred on November 1 the smack on you and your lowlife inbredcreamersofthecorn begins so be patient.. (okay maybe a couple of shots after the FB season begins)
For now lets just be friends eh?
Buffalo-Up
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 4:17:01 PM
VK,
Sounds good to me! Let's talk over a couple of cold ones.
Cornbred
2/5/2009 4:21:13 PM
Lets break down that vaunted NU rcruiting class again.
On O
we have the great Cody Green of course. Lotta folks here and there wonder about that first name. On top of that he is injury prone and his style may not fit Watson's real well.
After that we have
a FB....kind of an antiquated position
4 way undersized O linemen
another O lineman who will cry like a baby if he doesnt get his way....from CO no less.
a small slow WR
a WR who does have measurables but is from a JC. We know he wont flunk out in Lincoln but will he remember which route to run?
The best thing on O I see right now is the lineman from North Dakota. that kid is huge and is quick for his size.
On D they actually look like they got some help.
A 4 star DE and several 3 star corners.
The DT they got is undersized too though.
A qb who will wind up at safety that everyone thinks will be another Walters.
Not real bad overall, but nowhere near any of the big boys.
brag away
extrapoint
2/5/2009 5:32:08 PM
codysyourdaddy,if only cody was the true problem...your an a-h#$e .VK,with all respect to a fellow buff fan,if only helfrich was the only problem.Take off the tunnel visioned glassess,your frustration makes you want to see a single solution to a multi-faceted problem.Special teams,we have grossnickle,we'll see.Filthymacnastie,who would want you in their corner?
whocares
2/5/2009 5:34:40 PM
bradabuff,you are one of the most sensible posters on this site.
whocares
2/5/2009 5:36:55 PM
...Hawk has consistantly had teams ready to play. ...
Brad the defense play pretty dang good not so much against missouri though did he have them ready or just a bad day..
Now brad Please do the same anlysis (a simple one) on the offense....and then the special teams...
If that offense was ready...ever...then....Helfrich would be king
Sorry brad try a gain...Ya just have to look at the whole team
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 5:50:24 PM
VK you really need to give this Offense thing a rest. We all know what we saw last year. There is plenty of blame to go around but it is not all on Helfrich. I watched him down here in AZ with ASU a fairly experienced team but really not very good QB's and he put points on the board by the bunches. It all comes down to this year and we will see what we will see. Then when the conditions are more normal make your decisions. I will admit their were times last year when I couldn't figure out what they were trying to do but the times they are a changing. Maybe you need to play more golf in AZ on green grass fairways rather than those dormant courses you are playing on. Might change your outlook on life etc.
AZBuff
2/5/2009 6:03:03 PM
EP,
I agree, nowhere near the big boys. Nebraska historically never received large numbers of the big recruits like the big boys. But, we just develop what we get, not unlike Colorado.
That Fullback you refer to most likely will play Running Back or Linebacker. He has the size and speed for both. But, who know maybe the Huskers are going old school. We also added one from last year who didn't quite qualify, but Nebraska didn't abandon him. He's current enrolled and ready for Spring.
Antonio Bell, WR
Ht: 6-2 Wt: 180 40: 4.5
Short Shuttle: 4.41 Vertical Jump: 31.5" 3-Cone: 7.01 Broad Jump: 9.0
By the way how is the ticket sales going for your Spring Game. Nebraska is almost sold out at $10 each. I got mine!
Cornbred
2/5/2009 6:07:49 PM
the ski areas are still open in April and no one has to pay to see the spring game. You would think some of our resident morons would attend. Some one might grill them on tech analysis if they did. that would be embarrasing for everyone.
extrapoint
2/5/2009 6:14:00 PM
az st.put alot of numbers up under helfrich,mainly in the passing game,which the cu staff has tried to establish,since that is the offense of this era,it's the smart thing to do,we just haven't had the receivers,dare i mention the broken "o" line,nope,not at all,a damn excuse....or a fact.And wisely hawk has added more depth at o line,he tried at wr,i think one of the 'athletes' will be a wr...and the frosh of last yr must step up,throw in rodney and hopefully d scott,and things just might look a helluva lot different.
whocares
2/5/2009 6:17:22 PM
That's a shame! Can't they ski another day and show some support for their Buffs? I like to ski too, but don't live where I can do it very often. Just a vacation here or there.
Cornbred
2/5/2009 6:19:50 PM
lance
it all starts at the top and I am a Hawk supporter. From me he gets 8 years .....
and the defense did pretty dang good considering the Helfrich offense gave the opponent field postion inside the buff 40 at least 3 times every game.
forget that injury crap too...Helfrich never did anything with that offense...the stats show it....the...losses show it....the game tape shows i
And special teams were terrible and ranked over 100 in the country.....and I am not talking about the dang missed field goals
Ten wins and no excuses
Because Hawk said so and Hawk knows
Buffalo-Up
Okay mellow out (to myself)
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 6:19:55 PM
vk,you could have called the play...d.scott run like hell to the sideline and you'd look the fool,that was not the play,God bless scott and i want him to adjust the the college level as much as anyone,but when stewart went down......
whocares
2/5/2009 6:24:44 PM
lance: I agree there are a lot of parts that have to come together to have a high-powered offense in big time college football today. We didn't have it last year or the previous two. We will still be young next year but unless we have been played for total dunces CU will improve dramatically. Helfrich knows offense and so does Hawk. All the moving parts will be more experienced and hopefully not injured. HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE REPEAT OURSELVES?!!!!! IT TAKES A LOT LONGER TO BUILD A GOOD SOLID PROGRAM THAN IT DOES TO TEAR IT DOWN.
AZBuff
2/5/2009 6:25:29 PM
when helfrich gets on the field and run off tackle and goes west to the nearest sideline i'll boo him louder than you.
whocares
2/5/2009 6:26:29 PM
azbuff,AMEN!The instant gratification folks really need to be lsu or florida fans,thats where it is easy....what would stoops do at cu???I'd take hawk over stoops,and when they do get rid of hawk,he'll be o.k in the pac 10 or sec,the buff program will be better for have had him,but the revolving coach,looking for the messiah (sp) is an empty hole.
whocares
2/5/2009 6:30:57 PM
cornboy
spring skiing is like the best. Costumes are excellent.... I will be at the dang game dragging the 6 cubscouts again.
The game is free man and they do some nice things for the kids and a good time is had by all. 27k last year and we are hoping for more..
And RALPHIE RUNS...
Does that corncob guy run at your spring game or just during the regular season.
He bred did you here Chip, our person in a costume guy, like your herbie thing won the national championship?
One all ready this year, how the cornmeal guys doing? And we still got skiing and the mountain bike national championships coming....
Buffalo UP
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 6:31:22 PM
..Maybe you need to play more golf in AZ
and the invite is where?
AZ golf is stupid golf
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 6:33:14 PM
when you miss field goals the oppossing team gets the ball where you missed...i.e.good field position.yes,buffs would go up then let a runback happen,that is a real concern,run hard,shake the block,and tackle.agree there vk,just hoping we can hit the three when we need it.makes alot of difference,field pos.and points on the board
whocares
2/5/2009 6:37:53 PM
az
so I really want to believe you about Helfrich
looked at his body of work 2002,3,4,5
I checked the devils won loss record..looked at what his high powered offenses scored
You can follow the link and click on his last 4 years 02 through 05
When the points counted his offense could and did not make it happen in most cases....Sounds familiar
Did score some big numbers on the likes of Eastern washington, ucf, utep
check it out..
This ain't the pack 10 brother
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/conferences/standings?confId=9&confAbbrev=pac10&year=2002
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 6:54:43 PM
and az in his last 4 years at AZ state..... his high powered offense was...... 1 and 12 against teams ranked in the top 25.
Now I feel sick
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 6:59:29 PM
we are talking points vk,helfrich wasn't the d coordinator,you have to look at points vs points allowed,yes they put up alot of points and yards,no defense,no running game.take off the tunnel visioned glassess
whocares
2/5/2009 7:02:36 PM
VK
I know, did the Spring skiing thing in college. Unfortunately, I had to grow up and get a real job. Sometimes those jobs require one to relocate around the United States. Maybe if Colorado charged a little $ for the Spring game, Colorado could update their facilities and attract recruits like the Big Boys? Then again, they should probably start by selling out a game or two first. Wouldn't want to hit everyone up at once. I see they are raising the prices for season tickets. I thought everyone made great money in Colorado?
Uh Oh Money Hungry Buffs
Cornbred
2/5/2009 7:06:40 PM
Smiles and Hugs don't win football games; tough players, schooled in fundamental techniques, with the desire to refuse to lose, that is what wins football games. Smoke and mirror time is over Hawkins, win this year, big, or this class will not be playing much for you.
The class is disappointing except for the Colorado kids and that is where you have to build your base, so kudos for that.
Now, let's see if Hawkins can coach'em up, because I don't think he can and I don't think his 4th team will be any better than the first 3 with the same coaching staff, particularly the OC and the ST coaches, and the same group of QBs. If they don't get a real playmaker at QB, they won't win. If Hawkins makes the same stupid game decisions, they won't win. If they don't find a cold blooded field goal kicker like Jim Hansen was in 1990, they won't win.
donintucson
2/5/2009 7:12:51 PM
VK
By the way how many FREE tickets have been given away for the Buffs Spring game? In just a couple days, more than 50,000 tickets have already been sold for the Nebraska Spring game.
40,0000 and no excuses
Come on guys put up the skis for a day and Buff up like the Cobs
Cornbred
2/5/2009 7:15:19 PM
corn,we aren't talkin'bout crosscountry skiing with your barn boots and a couple pieces of trailer siding.
whocares
2/5/2009 7:25:24 PM
Who in the hell is Jim Hansen? Do you remember Mason Crosby? VK, you don't know what golf is in CO in Jan and Feb but golf I assure is not stupid in AZ in Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, and even May. You need to check it out. Helfrich was not the OC at ASU he was the passing coordinator. The head coach (ex Boise St.) Dick Koetter was the offensive guru. Helfrich designed a passing attack that was pretty darn good. Better than Shawn Watson at CU or nu. Come on VK get on the bandwagon Helfrich is going to be at CU this coming year and he just might have some experienced talent to move the ball. I would hate for you to have to eat a lot of Crow. Crow really interrupts the back swing.
AZBuff
2/5/2009 7:25:41 PM
Now that's funny Lance! I don't care who you are. But like I said before, not all Huskers live in Nebraska.
Boy I said listen, listen up boy!
Uh oh hard of hearing buff
Cornbred
2/5/2009 7:27:46 PM
goneintucson,you been out in the sun again without your hat to cover the bald dome???
whocares
2/5/2009 7:28:17 PM
corn,get to work,you wasting that big government grant again boy??
whocares
2/5/2009 7:31:31 PM
Corn bred we are "green" out here and friends to the enviorment.....We don't waste paper for crapevents.
You don't need no stinking ticket...You just show up....
Come on over and get a preview of the 2009 big 12 champions....April 25th
Buffalo Up
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 7:32:52 PM
lance you lost me on your 702 pm post..meds kicking in?
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 7:35:27 PM
knowing the cornbelt very well, we all understand the "lull-time" presented in april. not only are the fields fallow, the calves are on the ground, the tractor supply has already had its annual spring "trunk-show", and branson is shut down until andy williams gets his pacemaker upgrade. so what else. "husker spring practice". this is what makes america so great. lounging around with crappy-looking red sweatshirts and filthy sneakers.(or sas's) eating burgers and brats, and occasionally working on your "core", or maybe they call it a "cob" up yonder. anyway, seems alot better than spring-skiing to me.
reallifeshocker
2/5/2009 7:40:46 PM
vk,helfrich was passing coordinator,az st,had a kickass passing game,thier defense put the L's in the win lost column.Come back vk,we miss ya.
whocares
2/5/2009 7:42:40 PM
Az
I was responding to your glowing Hefrich numbers.
Facts are at the whatever you call him his teams lost 12 out of 13 to top 25 teams.
And golf in Arizona is like stupid....
Crow is excellent when covered with hot sauce, cabbage and peas....much better than arizona golf..You ever played golf in arizona? Like playing at disneyland. resort courses, the ball rolls to the middle...handicaps shoot way up as the sandbaggers "lose balls in the desert"
Its phoney baloney stuff and you know it...
And Hey as I said I hope you are right about helfich....just gotta say I am not so sure...
ten and no cause hawk says so
Buffalo Up
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 7:45:52 PM
lance do not make me get out my whipping stick and show you how the high powered asu passing offense scored like no points against top 25 teams in the helfrichs last 4 years there.
Buffalo Up
I wish H the best cause of the Buffs. Showed me just about nothing yet..
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 7:50:14 PM
against top 25 teams,like so.cal?uh huh,you talk win loss,and look for a scapegoat,not facts my friend.
whocares
2/5/2009 7:52:39 PM
my great grandparents had to fear your whipping stick,but don't think i do anymore.
whocares
2/5/2009 7:54:47 PM
did we get a kicker?
mrwright76
2/5/2009 7:56:32 PM
Lance.
follow the link click on the years 2002 to 2005
see the scoring or lack thereof against top 25 teams.. and Yes USC is in there...they also scored 2 points on Iowa...sounds like a safety/shoutout
just spend a little time looking at your high powered offense of the past
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=9&year=2002
Buffalo UP
vkberlin1
2/5/2009 8:18:08 PM
vk,i'm not going to bore everyone to death with all of it,but i encourage all to look theirelves,we are talking scoring points,haven't looked at passing yds yet....2002,46pts...39pts...65pts...35....45...38....34,,,,2003 yes,a 21-2 loss to #12 iowas,the following season a 44-7 win vs iowa...59pts...33pts....28 and 27 to finish the last two,won't do 2005 now as everyone needs to look for theirselves,vk,you've backed your self into a lose lose situation,if the buffs are terrible next yr,you can gloat,but hurt because they are terrible,if they win and have a great offense,you lose your credibility....az st scored alot of points in helfrichs yrs as passing coordinator....no getting around it.and they did it with the passing game,not defense,no running game,o line,wr's,te'and qb....vk,you try to spin your own agenda,it will fail you.quit pointing the finger,for your cub scouts at least, at the 'bad man'and enjoy football as it is.we all want to win
whocares
2/5/2009 8:46:50 PM
should have put a period after no run game,they did it with wr,te,o line,and qb.seems like a good passing coordinator to me.
whocares
2/5/2009 8:49:29 PM
Lets go down to Muscle Shoals and kidnap Ken Stabler off his bar stool and make him OC. Maybe he will bring Branch along as receivers coach
extrapoint
2/5/2009 9:03:55 PM
VK; don't know where you play in AZ but it sure as hell ain't where I play. Also I started playing golf in CO before I moved down here so don't try to babbozzle me about CO golf vs AZ golf especially this time of the year. Also don't try and bambozzle the real Buff fans about Helfrich. I would rather have him than Sean Watson. You got to get with the program I think maybe you've been losing too many balls in that gray- brown dormant rough you play in this time of year, must have you walking around in circles looking for your ball. Kind of makes you a little dingy. You'll have to quit the postings next year when CU starts putting up offensive numbers. I would hate for you to be like some of the trolls that we'll never hear from again by next Nov. Do you play a defensive golf game as your offensive analysis seems to have abandoned you?
Uh oh there goes another Titlelist
Doesn't rhyme but it isn't supposed to
AZBuff
2/5/2009 9:57:15 PM
allright guys....get off golf!
if you cant talk football drift over to basketball....maybe.
any minute now rswright will show up and put you high handicap pretenders in your place.
extrapoint
2/5/2009 10:01:21 PM
Just read on the DP that the spring game is the same day as the first day of the NFL draft. How about this for a promo: Play the NFL draft live on the big screen while the spring game in on! Or at least have the running draft info on the board.
Or play the highlight reals of the just signed class. Plus highlights of the the guys we have yet to see on the field in Black and Gold.
Just do something.. and do it soon. It was fun last year, but the effort was not exactly stellar. Get the people in the seats this year too and figure out a way to make some money off of it. At least get the good will flowing. It is a step towards building the type of fan base that regularly sells out the games. Baby steps.
BuffTime
2/5/2009 10:16:34 PM
Totally Agree with the Hawks assesment and what he is bringing in to the program.
With a better OL Cody or who ever, earns the QB position will be able to perform to their potential.
Rather see Cody there with all his experience.
Last but not least, welcome to all the new Buffs to Colorado. You have to be special to qualify to go to CU.
vegasbufffan
2/5/2009 10:28:03 PM
Cornbred = VK
zwilson56
2/5/2009 11:12:59 PM
wilson you must get off on yourself alot...
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 5:53:26 AM
...You'll have to quit the postings next year when CU starts putting up offensive numbers....
az please be the correct forecaster...i hope those are BIG numbers you are talking about....I hope I have missed the boat on Helfrich......Also on Riddle...... But the point is if they were great coaches they would get out more than 43 yards rushing and not be rated 100 plus on special teams.....too many excuses..
regardless
Buffalo Up
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 5:55:46 AM
lance,
You need to look at play in the pac ten...Just like you need to look at buff play in the Big 12..
those 4 non conference games, other than playing a top 25 are not relevant....
the buffs looked okay out of conference....but when it mattered notta...sorry.
Hey if the buffs score and win (remember thats the deal...score and win) with Helfrich then great.... If they do not,, i will be in a funk for a month...
See lance I am not a fair whether fan,,,,I am a buff fan....good or bad or worse.... Just like I have the right to comment about government poor performance and I do, comment about the poor performance of the the school board and I do and I jump in that fray often..I will comment on what I see as issues in the football program.
Do not confuse the issues...
Fan is short for fanatic.....Always best to have some middle ground in life...
Buffalo Up you weak hitters..
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 6:02:35 AM
Lance,
forgot to tell you that barnboot trailer siding comment was classic
I will be saving that one for the fall..I am gonna steal it from you
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 6:06:10 AM
az
\ so where do you play? The verdes? that del webb par 3 complex?
Buffalo Up
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 6:28:18 AM
lol.you can use the line vk,good discussion within the buff 'family'.
whocares
2/6/2009 8:54:24 AM
Brad da Buff - you have some good takes. You need to lay off our safeties! Your assessment of their talent leads me to believe your football knowledge is somewhat limited. Perkins plays the entire WV game and grades out at 95+. Did ANYONE even realize Dykes wasn't playing?? Mahnke starts at Nebraska and grades out at 96. Plus, has the big sack & big hit just before half. What does it say about our "regular" safeties (Dykes & Walters) when the biggest hit from that position for the ENTIRE season is by a 18 year old true freshman??? Plus, they are only going to get better. It is beyond me why Dykes was even playing in the first place. Perkins was better & is a red shirt frosh. Why not play this kid with the HUGE upside vs. an average player like Dykes.
Can anyone help me on this one: Why isn't Stengel playing more? Bigger, faster, stronger, makes plays in his limited playing time. Play him in front of Mohler.
BuzzBuff
2/6/2009 9:44:55 AM
Wow, did CSU ever strike out in recruiting this cycle. 106th ranked class with not even a single 3-star player, according to Scout. http://colorado.scout.com/a.z?s=148&p=9&c=8&toinid=723&yr=2009
I thought they would have parlayed a winning record, exciting bowl win and Johnson's amazing running into a decent class. Too bad. I like the Rams.
Saheeb
2/6/2009 10:44:28 AM
buzzbuff,i think hawk wanted to recruit depth with db's,going against all the spread offenses.
whocares
2/6/2009 10:57:31 AM
Saheeb,
I'm a little disappointed in their haul too. It is tough to recruit to the Fort though. They don't play in a BCS conference and they have less fan support than the Buffs. Their stadium being where it is also probably hurts. Even though I want the Buffs to beat them every year, I still want them to win every other game.
Hopefully it is just a reflection of his staff not having built the long term relationships with the recruits yet. Hopefully their class next year will be much improved.
BuffTime
2/6/2009 11:12:14 AM
Last I checked Shanahan is not going to KC, so what does it hurt to ask if he's interested in a one or two year O-line coaching position?
buffalo_flyer
2/6/2009 11:17:14 AM
..maybe you've been losing too many balls in that gray- brown dormant rough you play in this time of year,...
Yes az the rough does get a little brown this time of year....reminds me of the "desert color" which makes up 75% of the land on an arizona golf course and is present all year round.... Just a terrible place to have to play golf.
Buffalo Up
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 12:42:21 PM
VK
If they were great coaches, they wouldn't be at Colorado!!
Realist
2/6/2009 2:43:51 PM
vk just a thought on the 43 yd rushing,yu have said i believe that was the average in the last six games,or four games?Anyway,you fail to mention that we did win two of those final games,no one will complain if 1 yard rushing if we win,must have won with d,and the passing game,also in that span,stewart broke his leg,could have something to do with the rush stats,and limping with a broken o line.
whocares
2/6/2009 3:04:08 PM
Lance
good point.
big 12 is what matters
2007 4 and 4
2008 2 and 6
big 12 stats 2008 some lineman hurt, Defense coordinators figured out cody, and any other excuses needed..
The Facts:
scoring offense 12th
rushing offense 10th
passing offense 11th
passing efficiency 12th
1st downs 12th
3rd down conversions 11th
sacks against 10th
total offense 11th
4th down conversions 1st
red zone offense 12th
total defense 3rd
it is too painfull to look at the special teams.
AZ and Lance I want to believe. 1 bad is an event, 2 bads are a series, 3 bads are a trend,
4 bads is what it is period.
10 bads means it is really bad.
Course we all know that is what it was. we suffered through it..... We just differ as to why all the bads.... Helfrich is over his head against big 12 opponent defensive coaches.. sorry that is just how it is.
Helfrich supporters I pray he proves me wrong.
Uh Oh lets go buffalo
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 3:48:15 PM
I got to wondering how Rivals rated the 2008 All Big 12 First Team (excluding kickers) back when they were recruits coming out of HS. Here's the breakdown---make of it what you will:
*****: 2
****: 10
***: 10
**: 5
2008 ALL-BIG 12 FOOTBALL FIRST TEAM
Rivals 5 Star
DL Gerald McCoy OU So. Oklahoma City, OK
LB Sergio Kindle UT Jr.Dallas, TX
Rivals 4 Star
RB DeMarco Murray OK So. Las Vegas, NV
WR Jeremy Maclin UM So. Kirkwood, MO
WR Dez Bryant OSU So. Lufkin, TX
WR Michael Crabtree TT So. Dallas, TX
TE Jermaine Gresham OU Jr. Ardmore, OK
OL Phil Loadholt OU Sr. Fountain, CO
OL Duke Robinson OU Sr. Atlanta, GA
DL Roy Miller UT Sr. Killeen, TX
DL Brian Orakpo UT Sr. Houston, TX
DB Nic Harris OU Sr. Alexandria, LA
Rivals 3 Star
QB Sam Bradford OU So. Oklahoma City, OK
RB Kendall Hunter OSU So. Tyler, TX
FB Matt Clapp OU Jr. Phoenix, AZ
OL Trent Williams OU Jr. Longview, TX
OL Russell Okung OSU Jr. Fort Bend, TX
OL Adam Ulatoski UT Jr. Southlake, TX
DL Ziggy Hood UM Sr. Amarillo, TX
DB Darrell Stuckey KU Jr. Kansas City, KS
DB William Moore UM Sr. Hayti, MO
DB Darcel McBath TT Sr. Gainesville, TX
Rivals 2 Star
OL Jason Smith Baylor Sr. Dallas, TX
DL Brandon Williams TT Jr. Fort Worth, TX
LB Joe Pawelek BU Jr. San Antonio, TX
LB Sean Weatherspoon UM Jr. Jasper, TX
DB Jordan Lake BU Jr. Houston, TX
TallyBuff
2/6/2009 6:39:36 PM
Tally that is some interesting stuff
5 stars 0 offense 2 defense
4 stars 7 offense 3 defense
3 stars 6 offense 4 defense
2 stars 1 offense 4 defense
5 stars
1 dl
1 lb
4 stars
1 rb
3 wr
1 te
2 ol
2 dl
2 db
3 stars
1 qb
1 rb
1 fb
3 ol
2 dl
3 db
2 stars
1 ol
2 ol
2 db
It's of course a one year look. So Tally (how appropriate) you ought to do like 4 years of this analysis.
Buffalo Up
Ten and NO
vkberlin1
2/6/2009 6:56:50 PM
Well,those are facts vk without excuses,it seems to me if helfrich is that bad then why can't hawk see it,if helfich is that bad,and hawk can't see it,then hawkins is a stupid coach,and he'll take the program down,if he fires helfrich,i'll believe he saw the light,if he doesn't and helfrich is terrible,then so is hawkins,if things turn around......well,you know.
whocares
2/6/2009 8:47:51 PM
Corn - It's a known fact that Bo couldn't parlay a winning year into a better recruiting haul. Just admit it was a disappointment. Maybe it's that he won't let players speak for themselves after losses, or that he rescinds scholarships. We are going to POUND THE LIL' PINK!!!
MDBuff
2/6/2009 9:29:33 PM
Yep, the puffalos will be back with a vengeance. Just like last season. The red and cream rules. Doesn't matter if it is crimson (OU)or scarlet (NU) AND CREAM. By the way, VK, when are you going to get a freakin job?
ralphyitswhatsfordinner
2/6/2009 11:45:29 PM
ralphyheywhatsupyouoldbuttcobthatyouare what is up? Trailer park ok? Dishwasher job ok? look alike family ok?
...when are you going to get a freakin job..
why would you have me have a job? I have already splained that too you....course flatlander interrelated memory is suspect..
It ain't red if its scarlet. In that book about the interrelated people and their morals or lack thereof they called it what it is "the scarlet letter" not the red letter.....I always thought it was an A for ------- but perhaps it was the N for nowledge
Not red letter but scarlet letter or could be the crimson letter. Regardless Cream is the dominant color and action verb....
cream wagon drivers 9 and 3 (texas wins the south) and it would be 8 and 4 but they get to skip the hawk again
cream corncobs 8 and 4 nice season
The Hawk Buffalo 9 and 3, win the north, beat texas in the rematch game and the herd be moving.
Hey ralffelslulusisterofyourhusbandsdadandcousinofbostoopandgrandpa
We need the cream scarletcorn to be good and that will be a nice change, cause pounding the creamcorncrimsoninterrelateds is better when they are competitive...Last year the corncobs were not they were lucky.
but since the buffs change their corny lives with that 65 to 24 beat down the lowely creamers can only be win 4 out of 8 against the mighty buffs. And 1 of those was lucky and another the hometown refs gave em the game.
ralpydongdo please let me know who wins your spring game....aw never mind if you win I will see it as a W on your creamy site
Good night now..
vkberlin1
2/7/2009 7:18:48 AM
lance, Az
First off, understand I want Hawk and the Buffalo and all his assistants to be successful.
Helfrich will now be in his 4th year as OC. His on the job training crap is over... The Buffalo have suffered through his "learning curve"
The stats say he may not make it....The attitude shown on the field says he may not make it....
to get to Hawks 10 with no,, hawk himself will need to put helfrich in the box....and make the calls.
Just not sure hawk can be so many places at once..running the offnese......running the special teams (he really needs to do this)....
and being head coach.
If you do not get the staff, you lose....look at Obama....jeepers Change is what we need
vkberlin1
2/7/2009 8:10:22 AM
i agree that this fourth yr is no ojt,i just wasn't ready to pull the trigger on what i consider a minimum four yr building program,but if helfich stands out really bad,or any coach in the fourth yr,i'll be screaming for getting rid of him as loud or louder than you.Good comments,'cept of course for horsecockfordinner's.
whocares
2/7/2009 9:56:37 AM
MDBuff,
"NU's class widely considered a disappointment?" Really? Everything I read, just about every publication has this class as 4th best in Big 12 and top of Big 12 N. That statement has no validity. So, what does that say about the buff's class?
luvdaskers2
2/8/2009 9:24:24 AM
Extrpoint?
Has Nebraska ever, at any time, been consistently challenging for the over hyped #1 ranked recruitng class? Do they give championship trophies for having the #1 ranked recruitng class? Not that I haev ever seen. Not even through the mid to late 90's was NU a regular at the top of the recruiting "big boys." Seemed to do ok and get pretty decent results back than. I thin the approach is just fine.
You are right about adding players to the defense. Keep in mind the large number of schollie players that were RS last year.
Many of those players are lb's and db's. Going to start seeing some serious athletes at lb and db for NU. You missed one though, LB Chris Williams, remember the name.
luvdaskers2
2/8/2009 9:37:30 AM
...Has Nebraska ever, at any time, been consistently challenging...
not in recent memory baldy
nobody cares creamgirl
go back to sleep
vkberlin1
2/8/2009 11:25:19 AM
Oh yeah, and a D-line that with the return of Ndamukong Suh is set to be even more dominant and troublesome for opposing offenses in 09. Return of starting DE B. Turner who missed 80% of games with leg injury. This injury turned into a huge blessing in disguise as his backup, Pierre Allan, a name I am sure is familiar to buffies, got nearly a full years of starting experience and played very very well.
D line will be Strongside DE P. Allan, DT Suh, NT B. Steinkuhler and/or T. Moore and B. Turern at Weakside DE.
And with an experienced secondary and lots of speed and athletes coming in at LB.
The performance of the defense in the Gator Bowl was the best performance the defense had under Pelini and will only get better. If not for offensive miscues Clemson only scores 7 points. Gave up less than 45 yds rushing to Clemson RB tandem of Spiller and Davis who had been having a nice season until they faced the new and improved "Blackshirts." Have to say, things looking mighty fine.
You guys still trying to find a kicker? We got one! He's pretty good too, with a very strong leg. Remember him?
luvdaskers2
2/8/2009 11:47:12 AM
...Oh yeah...
The only bad thing about the creamer corn and buff game is that, other than beating the buffs, which is unlikely, the creamers will have nothing to play for....Back to interrelated mediocracy....
Just how it is
vkberlin1
2/8/2009 12:14:03 PM
MDBuff: Out of one side of your mouth, you hype the great 09 class of the Buffs and out of the other side you ridicule the Husker 09 class. Both Rivals and Scout rank the Husker class considerably higher than the Buff class. You need to do some rethinking. Forget winning the Big XII North.
Realist
2/8/2009 3:41:42 PM
realist
you are not.
cream girls 3rd or 4th in the north
write it down
vkberlin1
2/8/2009 4:02:07 PM
MDBUff,
You're calling NU's recent recruiting class a "disappointment" yet EVERY service has them rated quite a bit higher than your buffies. Scout and Rivals both have NU rated as the 4th best class in the Big 12. If, not for Texas A & M taking 28 players to NU's 21 Nebraska probably 3rd. And that's coming from the people that do this sort of stuff for a living.
So, if NU class is a disappointment, what do you call the buffies class?
I'm still waiting for an answer.
Boy, I hope you don't use this sort of logic in treating your patients. Keep your day job doc.
Patient to MD BUFF: "You know doc, I can't pee without lots of pain, my balls hurt, and I found a big lump on one of my testicles."
MDbuff to patient: "Well, let's run an EKG on your heart."
huh???
luvdaskers2
2/9/2009 9:55:01 AM
luvdacream
its a matter of expectations
yours have been dashed
vkberlin1
2/9/2009 10:24:42 AM
Is he a doctor? I sort of thought the MD stood for Maryland...
Anyway, looking at a class rank is kind of silly at this stage don't you think? And the fact that the Buffs filled their needs pretty well is what we are happy about. Also, all of our underrated guys look good. They have either were late bloomers or had an injury in their junior/senior years which kept their stock levels lower than they should have been. No worries. Hawk and his coaches know talent when they see it.
Anyway, we'll see you on the field next year and the players will settle things there. NU loses a lot of linemen, their starting QB and lots of other contributors from their team. CU doesn't lose any where near as many contributors from last year and have added lots of depth. We took you to the wire with 49 scholarship players traveling. We look to have considerably more help this year at home. Should be a good game.
BuffTime
2/9/2009 12:19:58 PM
bufftime,
NU played down to the buff's in Lincoln. And Pelini got away with one of the most boneheaded and stupid calls I have ever seen.
I still think Pelini is a fine coach and will do fine at NU but hopefully he learned a lesson or two as a first year HC. As the year went on, he seemed to greatly tone down the sideline scenes and he took responsibbility for the stupid call for a fake FG at end of half. Otherwise, NU wins by about 20.
Although, there was a positive to that call for a fake FG and it was that on the 57 yd FG the buffs had to honor the fake. Watch the replays, 4 buffs standing behind the line, protecting against the fake and nothing else. If, buff's didn't protect against that play on the 57 yd FG, and they go all out for the block, and Pelini calls it again, it's a td.
I hope he learned that once you use a play like that that most teams will be ready for it. Plays like that only good about once a yr, if that.
Losing the right side of o line. But one fo the few positives of the Callhan regime is he stockpiled a roster full of large, athletic O lineman. They will be fine.
luvdaskers2
2/9/2009 12:38:19 PM
...I still think
luvdacream no you don't...did you even watch the game? Win by 20?
creamers played poorly all year...they played up to the buffs and almost got their butts kicked except for th 2 really bad ref calls and the unholiest of fieldgoals by a short-legged kicker.
creamlover, in this millenium your lowely creamcorncobs are only 4 and 4 with the buffalo.
you get a recruiting class ranked 30 and you are happy?
My my the buff 65 to 17 blasting has certainly changed your outlook.
Hey have you seen nepacream on "life in the red blog"
vkberlin1
2/9/2009 12:54:30 PM
4 and 8, No excuses next year, VR. Seems to me that the scoreboard showed the Puffs LOST to NU. Oh, that's right, CU has always counts their "moral" victories. You will win four and have six moral victories next year. Let's see, six plus four, that equals your ten wins. Ha ha.
ralphyitswhatsfordinner
2/9/2009 1:13:51 PM
....Ha ha...
creamycorncobralphy, is that all ya got? Nice. I do not recall the loss to the creamers. Sorry. It must be part of the creamernation change of history for the cream bookfairs. nowledge is a ptitiful thing to waste. At least you waste only little.
Please try again...did you really me ahah
Go big cream go big cream go big cream Man the living the lie has you lost again eh?
Buffalo Up.
in your case creamer
Corncob Up.
write this down creamers
buffs win the big 12 north
creamycobs take 3rd (possible 4th)
So as I told cornbred (seems like a nice guy) we start the smack in November.... for now enjoy your skiing and we will enjoy ours
luvda keep the shaved head shiney
vkberlin1
2/9/2009 1:51:08 PM
My Dear VR, did you really me ahah,
4 wins, no excuses. Winning the big XII (that means 12)North means having a program good enough to beat the Big Red. Maybe in a few years ya will be in the running, after ya ditch your little coach and his son. After that, ya hasta gets through the Big Red of the south. Ya know, the one that's won seven national titles.
ralphyitswhatsfordinner
2/10/2009 8:16:28 AM
...ahahahahah
there are no reds in the big 12.. there are only the sisters of the cream
cream and scarlet
cream and crimson
it's cream period
its called the scarlet letter N
little cream (cobs) may go 5 and 7
big cream (wagon drivers) may go 8 and 4
Just the facts my daughter just the facts
vkberlin1
2/10/2009 8:29:24 AM
Vk,
After you're brilliant run of predicting NU losses in 08 don't you think it's time that you leave it to the experts and those that know a thing or two about football and can put hatred and obsession a side??
Some of VK's predictions of 08.. W. Mich puts a whooping on NU in the opener. But, when it didn't happen, they just suck. But, they still made a bowl game. HUH? That makes sense
VK also boldly predicted NU losses to ISU, BAYLOR, KANSAS, KSU and the buffies.
WoW! Nice track record there. You have no creditibility
I predicted an 8-4 record for NU before the season, seems I may know quite a bit more than you. There's that kNowledge thing again.
Just the facts arseclown
luvdaskers2
2/10/2009 12:00:55 PM
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