The Hawk building CU Football not with out of control emotion, but calm precision.

vegasbufffan

1/28/2009 12:31:33 AM

this guy would be big, especially after losing both of our safeties. how do we feel about perkins and mahnke?

can someone give me who they think the starters are gonna be next year?

HappyBuff

1/28/2009 12:43:32 AM

It seems to me that we are going to come up short with too few scholarships to offer. I would like to see us get moore, ussury, freeman, blake, and moten. And have Jarrod Darten greyshirt; it seems it will be a long shot for him to come back from his injury.

Buffstuckinkansas

1/28/2009 12:47:24 AM

I think you answered your own question. I would guess perkins and mahnke will be the starters next year. I feel ok with that. they got some good game experience last year.

ilikeseeyou

1/28/2009 12:49:29 AM

that might be a tough sell with darden. wasn't he the first commitment we had for this years class? I haven't heard any updates with his injury though...

ilikeseeyou

1/28/2009 12:51:56 AM

Take Aric Goodman's scholarship away and give it to one of these guys. We've got a kicker coming in, one with less of an ego and a better leg and head.

boratbuff

1/28/2009 1:13:23 AM

I don't think you can simply start taking away scholarships based on an ego issue. I think it would set such a ridiculously bad precedent.

earmuffs

1/28/2009 5:41:46 AM

..if Colorado football coach Dan Hawkins ever does produce a winning season on the football field..

TEN and NO

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 6:18:17 AM

ear,

that is a tough call for sure. Performance...a scholarship is based on performance and not just on the field.....

goodman was a walkon....made a FG (1) to beat WV. Hawk, and his ego over-reacted...made an error without all the info.

The fact he is bringing in a kicker on scholarship says he knows he made a mistake with Goodman for whatever reason.

Anyway go Buffs.

Hey maybe all these commits are "sneaky fakes" and he has a whole different set lined up

did you see that CU has Like 99 players on the team and the creamers of the corn have like 145?

The Buffs have 45 sophmores?

Walk ons up the yingyang.

Go buffs. Hawk surprise us.

Forget the rankings, I like this set of kids coming in.

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 6:29:51 AM

I keep hearing that we will be short on scholarships in 2010. That would certainly keep us out of the top recruiting classes. But who cares if we snare a bunch of top recruits? In time we'll get back to a good average number of recruits.

BTW, Ringo, it's "started slowly," since you need an adverb to modify a verb. It's called English, dude. You further the notion that sports journalism is an oxymoron.

zonabuff

1/28/2009 6:33:35 AM

No one is going to sit here and try to argue that Goodman did well last year but I think the problem is that if Hawk were to take away his scholarship based on performance, it will cause panic with all the other athletes. Everytime one has a bad game they have to be fearful of losing their scholarship??? I just don't think that is the atmosphere CU wants to produce. You need the athlete's relaxed and competitive for playing time, not concerned over their scholarship status.

Teams make mistakes over scholarship offers all the time and I just don't think its right to punish the athlete who is probably trying their best to succeed, albeit failing miserably at it.

Now if Goodman is a pariah to the team because of his ego, that is a completely different situation.

earmuffs

1/28/2009 6:47:49 AM

ear.

A bad game?

Hey he is a kid, transferred in, for some reason. Not sure he has the game for this. But it is a mute point at this time.

Go buffs

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 6:52:45 AM

don't worry about saving scholarships for 2010, if you have a great talent get them NOW! You will have great soph and jr talent in 2010. I'm sure a few kids will leave like every year so that will open up some spots for 2010. Once we build the depth we can start being selective like most top programs. I am ok with only having 15 recruits in 2010 as long as they are the best of the best and fill needs

shoulder2shoulder

1/28/2009 7:09:25 AM

ilikeCU -

Darden is on schedule with his re-hab. He suffered a fractured fibula and torn ankle tendon the first week of September, but feels he will be ready for September 5th. He told BuffStampede.com a few weeks ago that he is now jogging and agility drills. He says he hopes to be running routes by next month.

Darden may be a candidate for a grey-shirt or a red-shirt, but if any of our other potential recruits fall through, it would be nice to have Darden's 6'5" frame on the field!

Go Buffs!

http://www.cuatthegame.com

montanabuff@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 7:12:40 AM

I think we're still on track to land 22 this cycle. Of Moore, Ussery, Freeman, Blake, and Moten, it is unlikely that all 5 commit to CU. In the best case scenario, I think that either Ussery or Blake commits as a WR, but not both.

MDBuff

1/28/2009 7:16:22 AM

s2s, i agree with your sentiments. This class won't have the "bells and whistles" like some other classes, but overall we are landing some very solid prospects. Get the talent now if it's available - you never know what 2010 will look like...

When do we come off probation? It will be nice to be back to full scholly level...

HawkLuv

1/28/2009 7:56:13 AM

Hawk luv

Exactly... did we give up some scholarships because of those goofy issues? Montana?

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 8:30:57 AM

We still have to look at other factors. We still are not sure that we have Simmons or Jackson locked down. Even though I think Jackson stays, Simmons has never been solid and just visit JCSU aka Kansas State. So that makes Darden even more important. I figure we'll get Ussery, Moten, & Freeman. Not sure about Blake. I think we are in a better position with Moore than most think.

bigbuffwv

1/28/2009 8:37:31 AM

Goodman will be back this season and having an All-Colorado kicker/punter breathing down his heels could be just the thing to turn around his performance.

Hawkins isn't going to pull a scholarship except for flunking out of school or serious violations of team rules or laws.

We should all be rooting for a little healthy competition at the kicker spot to give Goodman a chance to redeem himself after last year. If Goodman starts kicking in games the way he can kick in practice, that gives us the option to redshirt our new kicker/punter and save him for four full years after DiLallo graduates.

BuffAlone

1/28/2009 8:38:35 AM

if goodman lines up for one kick this year im going to throw up

HappyBuff

1/28/2009 8:45:02 AM

happy

I am with you.. sorry Mr. Goodman you had a year to make it work....

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 8:47:59 AM

He'll play against CSU. Make it or break it.

BuffAlone

1/28/2009 8:52:35 AM

I don't think we are taking in the significance of Moore taking a visit here. If D. Jackson and Moore commit, that would mean we basically stole a recruit from Florida (the #1 team in the country), 2 from Utah the #2 team in the country (Liloa Nobriga, and David Bakhtiari), one from USC the #3 team, and one from Oregon who finished 10th. That is huge in re-establishing a dominant football team.

Southernbuff

1/28/2009 8:52:55 AM

okay fine.

so does anyone know:P

1. did we lose scholarships because of the past goofy stuff?

2. How many scholarships does the "Hawk Nest" have to offer.

A scholarship could be freed up if Daddy Hawk would pay his sons way? Just saying... He can afford it...for the good of the team.....

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 8:55:42 AM

what do u guys think are the chances kasa, katoa, major start next season?

HappyBuff

1/28/2009 9:05:50 AM

Happy -

I am just hoping that all three get significant reps. Kasa clearly is ready for the Big 12 but it all depends on how his summer and fall go. Katoa needs to prove that he can be a student and an athlete before he sees the field. Major is still recovering from a serious injury, I would be suprised to see him participate fully in the spring.

So a short answer to your question - I don't think any of the three will be starting against CSU. Who knows what happens after that. I guess it all depends on whether or not they take advantage of their time on the field.

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 9:13:35 AM

VK - I couldn't agree with you more about Daddy Hawk. He can afford it and it would be in-state tuition, right?

Its a no-brainer. Its the least he can do for the team, school and fans.

earmuffs

1/28/2009 9:13:52 AM

Happy.

Pretty good if they match their hype.

TEN and NO

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 9:14:59 AM

Ear of corn

You jump at the bait so easily. Shall I dig up the nepa post from your previous life which said the same thing?

Have a great day.

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 9:17:43 AM

southernbuff,great post,the importance of hawkins'and the staffs recruiting prowess is not mentioned enough,i love the fact that hawk is not afraid to go against the top schools in the country in recruiting.....and winning when he shouldn't....yet.

whocares

1/28/2009 9:24:48 AM

Josh Moten plans to announce his college decision today. I do not want to jinx anything but I am pretty certain he will commit to CU.

I will base my assumption on one fact - Following Moten's visit last weekend his high school teammate, Byron Moore, cancels a visit to Baton Rouge and schedules one to Boulder - that has to bode well right?

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 9:30:43 AM

earmuff,your charade was pretty obvious but you just got totally exposed,shrew.

whocares

1/28/2009 9:32:07 AM

I tell you what look back at Hicks a 3star safety that red shirted, he could play this year. Looked like Mahnke was too aggresive and took himself out of plays. Perkins consistant but not a playmaker. We need Moore or someone to step up.

Major, Kasa will have sagnificant playing time, look for Forrest west to come in and play. He replaces Jones.

BigN in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 9:32:25 AM

It is apparent that Mr. Hagan is a major player in this recruiting process. Buff Blood. Hopefully Hawk continues to look at past Buffs to be a part of his coaching staff rather than some "old buddies from the past'

This ain't intramurals brother and that is more than "just playing the actual game." Boise was nice, with a little history he played a role in. Buffalo is a "next step' for him. I know he realizes it and believe he will make the right decisions. These decisions begin with staffing.

Still have some questions there, but the leaving of that assistant coach, line coach, running game coordinator hopefully will allow Helfrich to realize his ojt is over and he needs to be a real offensive coordinator and not average 50 yards rushing like he did for the last 5 games.

250 plus per game regardless of who the Buffs are playing.

TEN and NO for the Buffalo

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 9:33:57 AM

ANYONE WHO CAN'T WATCH VIDEOS ON RIVALS OR SCOUTS

Clark Evans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71U0Bp5IvwU

Forrest West

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7rvbrkxUvM

Nobriga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py5i4qPPTx8

Josh Moten said to commit today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py5i4qPPTx8

Edward Nuckols/ him and cunningham next to each other next year!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-zriF10ak

Love talking football all year.

Big12N in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 9:40:57 AM

First thing, on Kyle's quote - "Hawkins has enjoyed some impressive successes in recruiting during the past two recruiting cycles, landing players such as Scott, Ryan Miller, Ray Polk, Lynn Katoa, Jon Major, Ryan Deehan, and Bryce Givens." To this point in their careers, only Miller has consistently produced like a "top recruit". Deehan and Scott have played, but really haven't produced jaw-dropping performances that one would expect from 4 and 5-star recruits. I know injuries, academic/legal problems and a redshirt have kept Polk, Katoa and Major off the field and hopefully they have bright futures as Buffs, but let's realize something, Kyle - highly ranked recruits are nothing until they produce at the next level. Just ask Marcus Houston.

That said, I do like how Hawkins has made CU relevant again in the recruiting process. Competing against the likes of Texas, LSU, USC, Florida, etc. is a big step for the program. Winning these recruiting battles is always the next step, which Hawk & Crew did against Texas last year (Scott), and seemingly again with Kasa over Florida this year. Although, in terms of Kasa, you'd like to think that we'd never let the state's top recruit even get so far with another school.

I'd obviously love to see Byron Moore (and Josh Moten) sign as Buffs next Wednesday, I believe that they have the potential (key word) to step up to the DI level and make a difference. These guys would likely make the Buffs a better team and who wouldn't want that?

But always remember one thing - recruiting stars and rankings mean nothing, performance and attitude mean everything - just ask Rodney Stewart.

Finally, please feel free to take Aric Goodman's scholarship and give it to some DESERVING player, and don't worry that doing that will make other players worry about having "one bad game". Goodman is an arrogant SOB who shouldn't even be competing at the DI level. He's NOT good, and he had about 9 bad games - enough to revoke a scholarship.

Go BUFFS!!

RashaanSalaam

1/28/2009 9:41:51 AM

Speedy Stewart is built for the spread they tried to run. Sumler and Scott are built for I Formation going down hill.

It starts and ends with the run, very dissapointed in the running attack and Helfrich needs to see it's are biggest weapon

Big12N in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 9:44:20 AM

im trying to figure out whos gonna be on the dline next year, and past herrod, i really dont know. whos gonna fill in at d tackle? were stacked at lb, any change we go to a 3-4?

im excited for the return of simas from ac probation. we need him to step up at wide. i had a class with him and he slept a lot but came all the time hahaha

HappyBuff

1/28/2009 9:48:20 AM

Happy

cunningham filled in well last year, and resent recruit Nuckols is big and athletic, need to see how Will P who redshirted is coming along.

I could see Beaty coming in to fill the spot Brad Jones left

Big12N in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 9:51:42 AM

i think there is a good chance of seeing the 3-4 defense.Hawk might be thinking of one of the O linemen on D.

whocares

1/28/2009 9:58:33 AM

Ah yes, VK is the Inspector Clouseau of the Buff Board.

Obviously the great Inspector forgot about the back and forth I had with Nepa a while back when he decided to bash our running backs, granted that was near the beginning of the season when our backs, especially Speedy, were actually doing well.

You have cracked the case...or was it Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick?

earmuffs

1/28/2009 9:58:40 AM

yup,your the same shrew earmuff

whocares

1/28/2009 10:00:21 AM

I don't think Hawk would pull a scholarship based on performance - it doesn't seem to be in his personality. Nor should he.

These are college kids. They suffer from crises of confidence just like anyone. To hold a scholarship over a kid's head, particularly when that might mean the difference between him being able to attend college or not, is cruel.

And if a coach ever did yank a scholarship purely for on-field performance reasons, I've gotta think that would certainly have a negative effect on recruiting.

lindseyjoe

1/28/2009 10:05:13 AM

Was Moore even on the radar before? Moten must have had a nice trip if he went back to school and convinced his buddy come out here this weekend.

Kasa is going to need to bulk up before he's ready to be an every down player. 245 is way too light. You have to figure most starting o-linemen in the Big 12 are benching close to 500 lbs. and are well-versed in techniques he's never seen before. Skill position players are more likely to get by on pure ability. Interior linemen need to develop physically and improve their techniques to really be dominant at the next level.

OutToPasture

1/28/2009 10:06:49 AM

i agree with lindseyjoe on the scholarship thing.

whocares

1/28/2009 10:11:46 AM

Once again Ringo fails to mention the MAIN RECRUITING ADVANTAGE we have against the schools were competing against. And no, its not academics. MOORE COULD BE THE STARTER FROM DAY ONE. Do you think he's going to start this season @ USC or LSU?

NorCalLovesDaBuffs

1/28/2009 10:13:30 AM

Keep it up Hawk. Patience, sincerity, hard work, aggressiveness - Hawk does recruiting the same way he's building the program back. Big season next year, no excuses.

LBCBuff

1/28/2009 10:18:03 AM

I would love for some reporter to have the cajones to ask Hawk these two simple questions: 1) Has he ever thought and will he entertain the idea of paying for Cody to attend CU and freeing up a scholarship? and 2) Has he ever thought about pulling Aric Goodman's scholarship, seeing as how Grossnickle, a highly ranked kicker, is coming in and Goodman has clearly shown he can't compete at the D1 level? This is the Big 12 brother.

Sadly, I don't see any local reporter having the guts to ask him these. I wish I could email Hawk and ask him these, or better yet, in person.

boratbuff

1/28/2009 10:19:10 AM

TEN and NO for the Buffalo.

The Goodman thing is interesting. Recall he had no scholarship and Hawk in a fit of "Hawk-Love" gave him one after the WV game. He gave it to him based on performance...abeit a bit early eh?

Goodman was paying his way prior to that..... Recall also he transferred from Wyoming or some such place.

And he is arrogant. At the Spring game he was rude to my 6 little cub scouts. Also played poorly as well. If he is money as they say, it must be a 101k not a 401k

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 10:19:37 AM

boratbuff - buy a ticket to the recruiting luncheon and ask him in person.

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 10:29:51 AM

I don't think any local reporter is stupid enough to ask questions with such obvious answers.

Also, it just took me about 30 seconds to find Hawkins's email and office phone number, so knock yourself out. Good luck with that.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 10:34:31 AM

i am dating myself but referring to the arrogant comment on goodman,i hate that when athletes,and college athletes are looked up to by youngsters,and they are rude,most i want to believe are not.I remember yrs ago sitting in the bleachers in boulder, when bob simpson,d.e.,later l.b. for the dolphins,looked up at some of us as the coach's called the team in for end of practice,and tossed his #57 jersey to the youngest little guy there,it was very cool,that kid has that torn jersey still and grew up with it hanging on his bedroom wall,honest to God true story.

whocares

1/28/2009 10:38:24 AM

now all we need to do is get rid of the offensive and defensive coordinators and then we might win 6 games again.

GoBuffs07

1/28/2009 10:42:11 AM

VK

Did you see GT play this year, think about that for a running attack. We have the backs to do a little more option.

Evans could come in and be huge.

I watch some videos of last year give Hanson a little credit, he came off his red shirt meaning he had not thrown to any of the starting recievers until that week.

Next years potential

D-line B

LB - B+

DB - B- (Based on freshman)

RB - A

O-Line B+

WR - B (based on freshman)

QB - C+ (based on caoching decision)

Big12N in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 10:47:17 AM

VK,

Your story about the Cub Scouts and Goodman just proves the point that character counts. In times of turmoil character will guide you. Goodman obviously doesn't have the inner-confidence to get the job done when it counts, because he lacks character. I'm sure he makes those kicks in practice.

NorCalLovesDaBuffs

1/28/2009 10:48:23 AM

Looks like two of the recruits are visiting other schools this week.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 10:51:40 AM

boratbuff,coach hawkins is one of the most open,approachable,guys you'll ever hope to meet,just throw your balls over your shoulder and walk up to him and ask him those questions yourself.

whocares

1/28/2009 10:52:16 AM

Sure, I'll ask him, no fear on my part asking him. But a local reporter asking him would then be able to easily print his response here in the Camera, for all to read and comment on. I think there are more than just me that would be interested in his answers.

boratbuff

1/28/2009 10:54:58 AM

Nope, just you. Here are his answers:

No

No

feel free to comment on them.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 10:58:47 AM

Brad,

Saw em once plus some highlights.

Great running game. 270 plus per game I think..They whipped FSU as well..

When the Buffs roll the running game (and now that grimes is gone I hope they can) it makes Hansen an instant buttkicker.

Damn, i just hope Helfrich is not still in the "on the job training " program.

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 11:02:08 AM

Wow hallux, I didn't know Cody and Goodman had such strong supporters. Cody maybe, but I see you must be a Goodman relative or the infamous Aric Goodman himself. You seem rather offended at those questions. Could you be the Hawk himself?

boratbuff

1/28/2009 11:02:17 AM

I get annoyed at any question that seems fit to be asked only by a person who has to wear velcro shoes and walk around with their address pinned to their jacket in case they get separated from the group.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 11:07:45 AM

I re-watched the CU vs CSU game from this season. Man - Goodman nearly missed about three extra points. He has this weird left hook whip to his kick, causing the ball to shank. Just poor technique from the git go.

I think they should pull his scholarship. But I know they cannot. It would set a very bad precedent.

roamingbuff

1/28/2009 11:11:59 AM

Hallux, you're boring, provide some intelligent arguments will you? Hopefully on tomorrow's article you'll be more interesting. Goodbye, and have a nice day.

boratbuff

1/28/2009 11:12:26 AM

How will the class look if Webb and Simmons both decommitt this week?

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 11:14:02 AM

Hey he transfered (why?)

He walked on.

He can walk off.

Hey it will be what Hawk wants it to be.

So can we sign 26 guys or not?

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 11:15:14 AM

Depends on who the are replaced by.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=11&cfg=null&yr=2009&pid=-1&sspid=-1&iRatingValue=-1&iGetJUCOFlag=-1&iCommitFlag=-1&iGroupbyPosition=0&toinid=660&iInterestLevelId=4&iOffer=-1&iRecruitVisitFlag=-1&OrderbyColumn=RatingValue

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 11:19:05 AM

no, you can't sign 26. The most scholarships you can hand out in a year is 25. Other teams get commits from more because either

A) They know they all won't qualify

B) They will be asked to gray shirt

Frankly, the best hope for a kicker scholarship might be if Jameson Davis decides to pack it in due to injuries.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 11:24:16 AM

borat,

I think you'd ask Hawk those questions just to stir the pot, or to be confrontational by showing you're not afraid to do so. You already know the answers. They are not going to take away a scholly because of performance. Charater, yes, performance, no. And why would he pay for Cody to go to school? Because he makes a lot of money? Would you pay for your kids schooling to free up a scholarship? Cody earned his scholarship. Should Goodman have been offered a scholarship is the better question, but that's revisionist history.

14ers4me

1/28/2009 11:25:36 AM

Simmons would not be a suprise - it takes a lot of work to get into CU from a JUCO, some kids just aren't up for it. It would be a much easier transition for him if he chose JUCO-U - KState.

It would be suprising to see Derrick Webb switch his commitment to Tennessee considering he does not have a scholarship offer from them yet.

Peanutgallery - sounds like Kenny.

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 11:26:47 AM

Frankly, I'd be kind of surprised if Simmons DIDN'T jump ship. JuCo players can sign L'sOI in December. He doesn't have to wait until Wednesday. And no one can sell JuCo continuing ed. like Bill Snyder.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 11:31:54 AM

Simmons is not that big of a loss, with the as long as the other's sign, don't forget Chance B. either.

It's not just who you have but what you do with who you have. 07-08 season, The key to next years offense is getting the line healthy.

Even Cody can win big games behind a healthy line.

Big12N in 09

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 11:34:33 AM

boulda

peanut gallery does sound like a kenny. He has a ton of screen names. bounces around like a professional at squat tag in the aparagus patch.

North Carolina has 29 commits with 89 on the team

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=16&cfg=null&nid=656&yr=2008

And holy cow Nebrask has 142 on the team...what is that.... walkons?

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=16&cfg=null&nid=665&yr=2008

Okay buffs get 25. Surprise us again Mr. Hawk...

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 11:41:15 AM

You're probably right about Simmons, he'll be at KSU or he would have signed last month.

Webb is from Tennessee and is visiting Tennessee this week. Could switch also if offered.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 11:54:41 AM

Tenn. already has three 4* LB's and one 3* LB. I would bet that even if Webb is offered it will be a tough choice for him. My guess is that Derrick's signed LOI comes rolling through the fax next Tuesday.

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 12:11:14 PM

VK, good point: I forgot that Goodman was originally a walk-on. Still, I think once you give a scholarship, you've made a commitment you need to stand by. There are good reasons to pull a scholarship, or even kick a guy off the team, and character can certainly be part of that. But on performance alone? Even if the guy's a bit of a jerk? I dunno about that.

Here's a flip side thought experiment for the board: if we want to make it OK to pull scholarships because of poor performance, then should the rule about transfer eligibility also change? I'd say yes. If a kid loses his full-ride solely 'cause he misses a few figgies, he should be able to jump to another D-1 (sorry: football bowl subdivision) school without sitting out a year.

lindseyjoe

1/28/2009 12:22:12 PM

lind

Good points as well.....As far as Goodman goes,let him give it a big shot in the spring. He was not very good in it last year.

Hit em all with gusto and you never know.

if he gets beat out so be it. then he can decide what to do if he gets no playing time.

I would not take the scholarship regardless.

Next time Hawk be a little more sure eh?

TEN and NO for the BUFFALO

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 12:32:19 PM

OK

I spent the last quarter of my lunch figuring this out (sad I know). On the roster for 2009 there are 89 players listed. Of those, 25 are walk-ons & 64 are scholarship players. That would indicate to me that we could max out at 21 scholarships w/o anyone grey shirting. That means 3 more players for the 09 recruiting cycle (unless there are decommitments). I would like the Buffs to use the 3 sholarships on either:

1. Ussery or Blake

2. Freeman or Williams

3. Moore or McDougald

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 1:16:43 PM

Also, I only count 13 scholarship seniors. This means next years class might be extremely small without any attrition.

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 1:20:20 PM

76Buff - good work!

As to which ones to take, it's hard to argue with your choices, although I think I would opt for both Ussery and Blake over another lineman (assuming that we may lose one of our present WR commits). Moore would be a huge get, not only for the secondary, but for the program psychologically. Miller takes CU over Notre Dame; Scott chooses CU over Texas; Kasa opts for CU over Florida; Moore takes CU over USC and LSU.

Getting back into the big time, boys and girls ...

Go Buffs!

montanabuff@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 1:24:23 PM

76Buff and Montana - but don't forget that Moore and Moten would probably come as a package deal.

earmuffs

1/28/2009 1:28:02 PM

Moore and Moten would be a good get for the Buffs.

Get em both.

then mcdougal

then ussery or blake

1 decommit from the JC and we are rolling.

Course you never know about the hawk and how many scholarships he really has based on any agreements he may have.

Ya just never no.

buff 76

...This means next years class might be extremely small without any attrition...

That is interesting. As you look at the 89, how many are RSFresh and sophmores? like 50 or so....

If they can go TEN With NO this year and the way the classes line up one could/would expect that the class next year would be all very highly ranked.

The hawk has an interesting job working through this. The creamcorn loss hurt, but maybe an intersting result for this years class.

Okay lets get started on 2010. Montana what do you think?

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 1:40:26 PM

The current Buffs roster on cubuffs.com is fairly inaccurate. They have not applied redshirts to kids like Chance Blackmon therefore listing him as a sophomore rather than a RFr. It makes it a little harder to get a good read on class size.

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 1:55:48 PM

What do you think of Nate Bonsu? I don't think he was recruited by any of the Texas schools.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 2:13:38 PM

There were 21 recruits in the 08 class. One, Shaun Mohler, will be a senior next year, and one (Paul Vigo) grey shirted. Of the other 19, seven lost their red shirts. The break down is:

Seniors - 13 S 5 wo

Juniors - 15 s 7 wo

Sophmores - 23 s 13 wo

RS Frosh - 12 s 0

Freshmen - 1 s

s meaning sholarship players, wo meaning walk-on

I counted MTM as an RSF assuming he gets a medical RS.

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 2:15:39 PM

Isn't there an NCAA rule limiting teams to 105 players on the roster? How can NU have 142?

OutToPasture

1/28/2009 2:19:02 PM

76 - Does that count Ryan Miller as a sophomore assuming he gets a medical redshirt?

bouldabuff

1/28/2009 2:28:08 PM

One last post, and I have to get back to work.

Thepeanutgallery:

What do you think of Nate Bonsu? I don't think he was recruited by any of the Texas schools.

Answer: Their loss

OutToPasture:

Isn't there an NCAA rule limiting teams to 105 players on the roster? How can NU have 142?

Answer: I believe the limits have to do with dressing for games. I don't think there is a limit to the number you can have practicing, which is pretty much what a walk on does.

As for the question posed about Cody Hawkins giving up his scholarship, I was wondering if employees of CU still can send their kids to CU for free? I thought they were able to at one point.

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 2:29:35 PM

I thought the NCAA limit for home games was 115. I know the SEC limit is 70 away, and I think 90 home.

And there are a lot more limitations on walk ons than just tuition money. For example, you might remember that we recently got dinged because walk ons were eating at the athletic training table, which is prohibited. I believe there are other limitations on using athletic department respources/ tutors/ et cetera.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 2:37:44 PM

After looking at our commits if they stay committed to CU I see 1 QB 3 WR but only one is really committed 1 TE, 4 OL, 4 DL, 2 LB, 2 S, 1 K in counting that gives us 16 that are really committed and 2 WR on the fence so we still have room for Freeman , Williams , Moten , Moore and 2 surprises, that is if the Hawk is sticking to the 22 scholarships.

afsco@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 2:39:03 PM

So far the class is ranked behind almost all of the rest of the big 12.

Hopefully some suprises come in. Nick Kasa looks good if he grows into his potential. The rest are really nothing to jump up and shout about.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 2:44:26 PM

Things are starting to look promising for Moten and Moore to become Buffs:

ESPNU will have nine hours of recruiting coverage next Wednesday, February 4 kicking off at 7:00 AM (PST). The show will start with a bang as defensive back Byron Moore (Harbor City, Calif./ Narbonne) will make his college selection.

"Byron is going to start the show off by announcing his decision," Moore's father Byron Sr. said. "I'm not going to say where he's leaning or anything like that, you'll just have to tune in at 7:00 in the morning and find out."

Moore was slated to visit LSU this weekend but switched that up and will now trip to Colorado. Ironically, Moore's teammate, Josh Moten, an early Washington commitment, visited CU last weekend and is now reportedly leaning to the Buffs.

"Byron just felt more of a connection with the Colorado coaches," Moore Sr. said. "When he gets back from this visit, he'll look at his final three schools, Colorado, Notre Dame and USC."

Moore committed last summer to USC before backing off his commitment just a week ago.

"I was even surprised by it," Moore Sr. said. "I know everyone was but it's not for the reasons everyone is saying. I read all the talk on the message boards and just have to laugh at some of the things I'm reading. Let me just say this, it has nothing to do with football. People need to understand that football isn't the only think you look at when you make a decision like this.

See http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=West_Recruiting

MDBuff

1/28/2009 2:48:13 PM

peanut nepa

last year we were #3 in the big 12. We got the stars we needed.

This year its filling the gaps. This will be a great class.

No one would expect a nepa to jump and shout unless of course it was playing your favorite game of squat tag in the asparagus patch

go buffs

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 2:57:43 PM

You know, I've watched with amazement at times the way you (vkberlin1) spout off to others on this board.

I do hope we meet up one day.

Until then, please ignore all my posts as I'm for sure not posting them for you to read.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 3:28:53 PM

Buffs76 - my wife is the daughter of a CU Prof, and she most certainly had to pay for school, just like any other in-state kiddo

dionisus1122

1/28/2009 3:38:36 PM

This article comes from espn.com... i like the sound of this

Colorado

Colorado is coming off a stellar 2008 signing class but a rather disappointing season on the gridiron this fall. For the most part, recruiting has been more marathon than sprint for the Buffaloes, but Dan Hawkins and his staff have gone on a tear in January. The addition of DE Nick Kasa (Broomfield, Colo./Legacy) and DT Edward Nuckels (San Marcos, Calif./Mission Hills) has really bolstered this front four. Luring Kasa back from the grips of the Florida Gators was important for Colorado's stature within the state -- if the Buffs had not gotten him back, they wouldn't have had a commitment from any of the state's top five prospects. QB Clark Evans (Los Alamitos, Calif.) is a sleeper in this class, and he fits their scheme extremely well. The class also features several playmaking wideouts.

Top prospect: Without a doubt, it's Kasa: He will give them a real threat off the edge. It is worth noting that four of Colorado's top five recruits are defenders, and three of them will play in the front seven. This is a good sign.

Don't be surprised if ... Colorado competes for the North crown in 2009 and 2010.

skipples4u@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 3:41:52 PM

This recruit could commit to CU , Terry Johnson OL Ht: 6-foot-5 Wt: 327 lbs GPA: 3.0 Terry being a teammate of Chris Freeman and Doug Rippy could become a Buff he only has one offer and that is from CU. The kid should have just committed already if he only has 1 offer. Unless he has and he is one of those Hawk quite surprises.

afsco@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 3:42:31 PM

here comes the bickering because of cornfeeders, We'll see you in boulder this year and you can see how the recruiting is going.

This class will fill all the holes except for DB stop worring about the other 0 line guys we need the Moore's and McD's to make for another really good class

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 3:53:10 PM

I have us at 66 under scholarship right now. I actually just posted this on another site. You can see the break down at this link.

http://www.ralphiereport.com/2009/1/28/739241/enough-scolarships-for-thi

LakeBUFF

1/28/2009 4:21:54 PM

LakeBUFF,

You have Evan Eastburn as a scholarship player, and he was listed as a transfer walk-on in the weekly sheet for the NU game. Also, you have Lamont Smith as a scholarship player, and his name is not listed on the 2009 roster. I don't know if he left or not, but is name is not there.

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 4:49:52 PM

peanut

okay

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 4:58:56 PM

39 offers

with

18 verbals

3 highs

2 lows

16 mediums

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 5:14:48 PM

Lamont was having some academic issues. Not sure what the situation is now. There was also talk of him leaving and going back east.

bigbuffwv

1/28/2009 5:16:00 PM

did you see the latest rumor on the #1 RB in the nation Bryce Brown?

Says he's having 2d thoughts on committing to miami and is on vacation with his uncle in nebraska until 2-7-09 leaving the rumor mill swirling on where he'll end up...

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 5:33:20 PM

On the issue of Goodman's scholarship, it is up to the coaching staff if they want to renew it for the next year. When you are awarded an athletic scholarship it is on a year to year basis and not for the duration of your time on campus. So the issue is not if he revokes it or not, it is if they choose to renew it or not. I had friends at CU on athletic scholarship (not football) whose coaches decided not to renew their scholarship.

bkrug

1/28/2009 5:38:29 PM

Must have graduated from high school already

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 5:39:17 PM

Who the hell goes on vacation to Nebraska!? ...and in January none the less!

GradBuff

1/28/2009 5:54:01 PM

I hear that...

He's been mentioned as a possible for NU and KSU...

Has Hawkins unleashed the hounds to look for him yet?

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 6:16:14 PM

bryce brown is checking out nu idiots....get a clue. when u live in kansas, u can sneak up and check out everything you want to in lincoln

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:17:31 PM

i really hope we get moore we need a big time safety

buffamaniac

1/28/2009 6:19:34 PM

moore or macdougald. i agree maniac we need a good safety in this class.

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:21:44 PM

This is getting interesting. Bryce Brown's Uncle is Lawrence Pete, an ex NFL player and NU football Alumni from the 1980's.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 6:24:55 PM

Nepa

go to a corn site if you want to talk nebraska ball!

Brown can check out NU all he wants, we got the guys to put him in the dirt, see you next year, will introduce him to Kasa, Nuckols, Nobriga, Webb, and I'm sure Moore would love to say hi.

God Buffs,

all nebraska fans in Colorado if you like Nu go live there, and stop taking up Colo. air.

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 6:27:21 PM

So when's Moten's big announcement? The day's almost gone. GO BUFFS!

MDBuff

1/28/2009 6:28:20 PM

sorry "go" buffs

bradDaBUFF

1/28/2009 6:28:47 PM

the rumors were on the radio today in omaha. don't be surprised if nu gets in the race late, but the buffs don't need to go after him, we have enough at the rb position right now

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:29:07 PM

yeah really i've been looking all day to see what is up with moten and nothing yet?

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:30:01 PM

bradDaBUFF, Brown's the #1 recruit in the nation.

If you don't want to talk about it, don't.

All those guys you just mentioned (exception maybe Kasa) won't even see the field next season, all likely will be redshirts.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 6:32:20 PM

thepeanutgallery- u must be new to posting here, but if you mention anything about nu, that means you are an automatic nu fan. and if you say anything negative against cu, everyone will call you nepa. just ignore it, your comments about any team from the big 12 are welcome

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:38:55 PM

what a load of crap

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 6:43:55 PM

I hear ya nolen, while the class may have a few players with potential, no one can really say it's a great class, the kid Kasa is the jewell of the bunch, the rest probably won't have the NFL beating their doors down anytime soon.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 6:48:10 PM

is that you mel kiper jr?

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 6:48:46 PM

1GoBuffs1-- your probably the guy at the end of the season that said on here that scotty mcknight would play in the nfl. i'm still laughing about that one

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:52:37 PM

i really don't care to talk about future nfl players. i think our class is solid as of right now, considering the fact that we hang on to these wide-outs. anyone here anything on moten?

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:53:59 PM

which bandwagon are you on today nolan?

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 6:55:24 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure a few may progress and be greats.

But for every great one there's at least 100 that will never play after college.

keepinitreal

1/28/2009 6:58:08 PM

i'm never on a bandwagon, always a cu fan. what bandwagons have i been on? i still don't like hawkins. that has never changed. he can recruit, but has shown nothing of getting wins

nolanjp

1/28/2009 6:59:52 PM

so..your ultimate outcome would be that cu win some games lose just enough so that hawk would be fired and then you would bring in?....

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 7:02:46 PM

i never wish the buffs to lose. did all donkey fans like mike shanahan? i bet not. you can support a team without liking the head coach

nolanjp

1/28/2009 7:06:18 PM

GO BUFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ralphie2

1/28/2009 7:09:51 PM

how do you call it support, when you are constantly bashing hawk?

supâ port - [suh-pawrt, -pohrt]

To keep from failing or sinking; to solace under affictive circumstances; to assist; to encourage; to defend; as, to support the courage or spirits.

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 7:20:20 PM

idiot- a person of subnormal intelligence

nolanjp

1/28/2009 7:27:24 PM

Hey Nolan....you on your thee day yet?

peanut is new......but not really

TEN and NO for the Buffalo

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 7:28:34 PM

Nothing on Moten. Rivals still lists him as high on CU and UW.

I've watched some video on him and love his play making ability. All we need is some solid competition at QB and let the best man win.

First we need to get the O-Line healthy so whoever is QB can sit in the pocket and pick apart the defense.

I hope Sione Tau can get his stuff together in the class room. Have you seen what he's listed as 6-5 and 325!

MinnesotaBuff

1/28/2009 7:30:45 PM

Mein Gott

Click on the buffzone

look in the lower right hand corner

new from the big 12

click on the link NU Safety......and it takes you right to Husker extra.

Faint.

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 7:37:49 PM

you sir are the idiot

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 7:38:02 PM

Moten scheduled to announce at 8.

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 7:39:09 PM

8 mountain?????

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 7:41:37 PM

correct

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 7:42:03 PM

the bryce brown issue has turned into a real circus in wichita. brown has spiritually decommitted to miami, new o-coord., etc. snyder has indicated he will be a star a ksu from day one. my info is that nu will give up the "farm" for him, but then, wouldn't they. he is now "looking" at usc, and oregon. on the street is the word that he and a disgruntled oregon wideout, come quarterback, also from wichita, may be a package deal. well, i doubt that the buffs have any concern, and should go on, business as usual.

reallifeshocker

1/28/2009 7:44:07 PM

california rb carl winston,two star,is deciding between cu and wash. st.

whocares

1/28/2009 7:56:05 PM

we need this qb....hopefully he brings his teamate moore

buffamaniac

1/28/2009 8:13:30 PM

1GoBuffs1,

That cracked me up, you throwing up the definition of "support". Nice work and true.

I actually like it, though, when NU, or pseudo-CU fans, post here because it proves that CU is more relevant than their team. This is not directed at Nolanjp, because he does have positive comments on occasion, but no Gold-Bleeding CU fan in his/her right mind would go to an NU site or post nothing but negative comments about the CU team/players/coaches. Buffs just do not care enough to go anywhere else or post criticism without being constructive.

For the quasi-CU fans who just put on their Buff shirts at the home games or when CU is winning, talking about how NU did some great thing or or how Hawk/BabyHawk/Helfrich/etc suck do not really sound like you are trying to keep the Buffs from failing or sinking, or assisting, encouraging or defending the Buffs or supporting their courage or spirits. Just saying. Perhaps you are more like Buff Aficianados or you like to "dabble" in the Buffs, huh?

phibuffa

1/28/2009 8:22:16 PM

i love it how people try to make themselves sound smart here, use great vocabulary, and pretend they are happy with all aspects of cu football. hawk has won my respect as a recruiter not as a game day coach

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:24:58 PM

blah blah blah

sigh...ignore

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 8:27:37 PM

come on nolan the offense averaged 47 yards rushing per game the last 5 games.\

What do you want? Perfection?

vkberlin1

1/28/2009 8:28:14 PM

i want consistency and as buff fans we haven't had that in a looooooong time

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:29:43 PM

when was the last time we had an above average quarterback? we have not had a good college quarterback this decade. sorry joel klatt fans

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:31:19 PM

Koy Detmer

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 8:33:59 PM

i would agree with koy detmer, he last played in 95-96 right? that was 12 years ago

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:35:25 PM

Yes. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. If Bobby Pesavento can lead us to the Fiesta Bowl, Hawkins can lead us to the Super Bowl. It all comes down to OL play.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 8:41:07 PM

true true, that was a good year, but it could've been a national championship type year with a stud at qb rather than oachs or pesavento

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:43:53 PM

is moten announcing or what? waiting........

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:45:14 PM

Love the quality, and mix of kids the hawk is putting together, I know its a task to get kids that are academically CU material, but he is doing it. Then competing against BIG-12 schools where the ONLY QUALIFICATION IS A PULSE.

vegasbufffan

1/28/2009 8:48:13 PM

no, it would have been a national championship year if there was a playoff, and we'd played the week after the Big XII Championship game. It doesn't take a great QB to chuck the ball to Dan Graham. It takes rhythm to keep our OL rolling. IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY.

Or without god awful Barnett calling plays at the end of the Fresno State game. Eff him.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 8:48:25 PM

nothing from Rivals, nothing from Scout, nothing from the LAT (which sucks anyway. They're really terrible).

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 8:51:03 PM

nolan since when you are a part of "we"/CU

Go to your armpit nebraska hick.

vegasbufffan

1/28/2009 8:51:23 PM

mr know it all 1GoBuffs1 said he was announcing at 8pm. must be 8pm pacific

nolanjp

1/28/2009 8:53:25 PM

no, it was 7 pacific. We just haven't heard yet.

halluxvalgus

1/28/2009 8:55:17 PM

I don't have a Rivals account, but is there a chance that when they announced Molten would give his indication on Wednesday, they ment next Wednesday?

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 9:05:08 PM

i'm starting to think that as well. it would make sense if moten waits until he finds out what moore thinks of his visit

nolanjp

1/28/2009 9:06:25 PM

This is from the Rivals article written yesterday.

"I like both programs and I appreciate the love that both coaching staffs have shown me," Moten said of Colorado and Washington. "I am going to pick the program that best fits me and I will let you know where I am going to go to college tomorrow afternoon."

I'm sure he has made his decision, it just takes some time for it to filter to the media sources (rivals, scout, etc.). It's not like these kids are holding a press conference.

cbuffsu@msn.com

1/28/2009 9:11:50 PM

Adam at Rivals and Kyle at Scout have been trying to get a hold of Moten, but have not been able to. It was Kyle who posted this afternoon that Moten told him to call back around 7 p.m. (Pacific) tonight, but since then, neither of the recruiting services have been able to make contact. (Rivals tonight set a record for the most bodies in the CU chat room at one time - 541. Lots of folks waiting on this young man ....)

Stay tuned ....

http://www.cuatthegame.com

montanabuff@hotmail.com

1/28/2009 9:14:05 PM

what was that nolan?

1GoBuffs1

1/28/2009 9:17:06 PM

thanks for the info as always montana, no wonder vk has a crush on u

nolanjp

1/28/2009 9:18:17 PM

According to Rivals.com, Bryce Brown is having an in home visit from U of Mia tonight at his house. Isn't his Brother at U of Mia?

Buff_since_76

1/28/2009 9:18:34 PM

yes his brother is at miami

nolanjp

1/28/2009 9:26:01 PM

nolan: It must be hell to put so much effort to try to bash the HAWK under the false pretence of a CU fan. Then watch the hawks popularity soar.

What a waste of effort....

But you must be used to feeling irrelevant by now, that's why you repeat your drivel with false hope.

vegasbufffan

1/28/2009 11:50:58 PM

I live in Wichita and it absolutely hilarious listening to these K-State fans thinking they have a shot at brown. I don't see it he will probably end up at Oregon.

Go Buffs!!!!

Buffstuckinkansas

1/29/2009 12:25:31 AM

It's next wednesday,or maybe today or maybe this weekend or maybe monday or maybe noday whichis nolanday meainging no network

I heard kyle was trying to call him jeepers..glad I did not stay up...but then why would I ...Nolan working the early shift.....

vkberlin1

1/29/2009 3:55:25 AM

leave the kid alone

vkberlin1

1/29/2009 5:32:40 AM

I think Josh Moten was just playing everyone about announcing on Weds or yesterday or maybe its next Weds the 4th. Why commit yesterday wait for his buddy Moore to get back home and have a sit down with him . But then again he has to make this decision for himself not where his friends want to play.

afsco@hotmail.com

1/29/2009 7:21:37 AM

bufftime:

1. grimes made about $205k here;

2. read "meatmarket" by bruce feldman, it helps explain some of the salaries, below, especially orgeron's;

3. anyone know a source that compiles coach/salary information:

4. depressing thought for the day, from the atlanta journal/constitution, cited in a usatoday article of jan 23 09:(http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2009-01-22-tennessee-staff_N.htm):

TENNESSEE SALARIES (2009)

Coach Title Salary

â ¢Lane Kiffin Head Coach $2,000,000

â ¢Monte Kiffin Defensive Coordinator 1,200,000

â ¢Ed Orgeron Recruiting Coordinator/D-Line 650,000

â ¢Jim Chaney Offensive Coordinator/O-Line 380,000

â ¢Lance Thompson Linebackers 350,000

â ¢Eddie Gran Running Backs/Special Teams 185,000

â ¢James Cregg Tight Ends/Tackles 150,000

â ¢David Reaves Quarterbacks 150,000

â ¢Frank Wilson Wide Receivers 150,000

â ¢Willie Garza Defensive Backs 110,000

Assts. Pool $3,325,000

Total salary pool $5,325,000

. Monte Kiffin will also receive a retention bonus of $300,00 on December 31, 2009.

GEORGIA SALARIES (2008)

Coach Title Salary

Mark Richt Head coach $2,800,000

â ¢Willie Martinez Defensive coord. 320,300

â ¢Mike Bobo Offensive coord. 277,500

â ¢Rodney Garner D-line/Recruiting 263,301

â ¢Stacy Searels O-line 245,400

â ¢Jon Fabris Defensive ends 202,610

â ¢John Eason Wide receivers 197,908

â ¢Tony Ball Running backs 157,600

â ¢John Lilly Tight ends 167,600

â ¢John Jancek Linebackers 161,539

Assts. Salary pool $2,003,858

Total salary pool $4,803,858

. Includes supplement for coordinator's title: Bobo (32,100), Garner (42,800) and Martinez (74,900). Every coach is given an annual $10,000 "longevity bonus.â

buffalotom

1/31/2009 1:07:52 PM